The Whole Shebang
The Whole Shebang Podcast is a space to explore our collective awakening, often through the lens of unifying the Divine Feminine and Masculine in order to experience our most whole lives.
Each week Jennifer connects with various teachers, authors, friends, heart centered leaders and creators on topics such as coming home to ‘Self,’ consciousness, sacred sexuality, manifestation, abundance, inner alchemy and personal growth.
These conversations are aimed at supporting people in connecting to their own inner knowing, power, and divinity, to enlighten their lived experience, and move people towards their fullest potential. The Whole Shebang Podcast is here to create an energetic space and channel where people are invited to re-member who we are as individuals, and as a collective.
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The Whole Shebang
63. High Value Women, The Feminine Revival as Oracle, Fountain of Life, & Healer | Anabel Vizcarra
“A woman is an oracle, but we've got to develop this skill because it's been forgotten. We have focused more on an external beauty in order to get resources than our inner value and wisdom and, of course, at some point it wasn't safe to do that. Women have been shaped into believing that we are weak and that we need this physical, masculine protection and resource. And there is truth to that, but along that that path, we forgot.
Instead we're competing. We're competing for the men, we're competing for resources, we're competing for who looks better... who's younger. But when we return to our center, when we really reconnect to the bigger purpose of why we're here, and source ourselves to our true resource. Because that's our intuition, that's our wisdom, that's our sense felt of reality. Then we're able to discern lies through our body, and we're able to protect ourselves in a way that external protection you cannot do.”
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction and Grounding
03:03 Embracing the Body as a Vessel of Creation and Wisdom
07:18 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Self-Acceptance
13:21 Embracing the Full Spectrum of Being a Woman
17:45 The Power of Gentleness and Grace
21:30 The Role of Women as Oracles and Wise Women
25:27 Creating a New Vision for the Wise Woman
35:18 Tapping into Inner Wisdom and Power
39:14 Healing Ancient Wounds and Reclaiming Power
49:04 The Revival of the Feminine
57:48 Initiating Men into Divine Nature
01:05:29 The Power of Sacred Sexuality
01:11:27 Co-Creating and Manifesting Visions
01:13:52 Sacred Sexual Healing and Connection
01:16:09 Honoring Cycles and Listening to Inner Wisdom
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Anabel Vizcarra | Feminine Embodiment Mentor & Womb Shaman
Anabel champions women into trusting their own healing process & reconnecting to their inner source of potent feminine wisdom and power. Anabel’s body of work is a synthesis of Womb Shamanism, Gene Keys, Lineage Traditions, Ayurvedic medicine, Quantum Physics & Eco-Epigenetics.
With over 15+ years of experience, she mentors women on how to tap in to their deep inner well of gifts, grief and knowing. Thereby igniting a deep radiance & magnetism for life. Through sincere self awareness, ancestral wisdom & emotional mastery - women become living and thriving vessels of alchemical power, to reshape their realities.
She believes that when we have context for where we come from, we can locate why we are here and embrace where we are going.
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A woman is an oracle, but we've got to develop this skill because it's been forgotten. We have focused more on an external beauty in order to get resources than our inner value and wisdom and, of course, at some point it wasn't safe to do that. Women have been shaped into believing that we are weak and that we need this physical, masculine protection and resource. And there is truth to that. But along that that path, we forgot and instead we're competing. We're competing for the men, we're competing for resources, we're competing for, you know, who looks better, who's younger, all of these things where, when we return to our center, when we really reconnect to the bigger purpose of why we're here, and we source ourselves to that like that's our true resource, because that's our intuition, that's our wisdom, that's our sense felt of reality, we're able to discern lies through our body. You know, we're able to protect ourselves in a way that external protection you cannot do.
Speaker 3:Annabelle, thank you so much for joining me on the whole shebang.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love it and I love the title of your podcast.
Speaker 2:Thank you, it's kind of fun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, before we dive in, would could I ask you to start us the way that you've been starting our classes, just to to breathe us and ground us and, um, I know normally a host wouldn't ask a guest to do that and you're so gifted and I just wanted to invite, invite that opportunity, if you're open to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, let the ground Okay Beautiful.
Speaker 1:So if you that opportunity, if you're open to that yeah, absolutely, I love it Let the ground Okay beautiful.
Speaker 1:So if you're driving, please do not close your eyes. If you're sitting somewhere, let's just come into our body, so, placing one hand over our belly, one hand over our heart, just taking a deep breath into these spaces, our heart, just taking a deep breath into these spaces, coming into our body, inviting the body to come along with us in this journey of exploration and conversation. Maybe taking one deep breath into the heart, expanding it, allowing it to soften the shoulders as we exhale, allowing it to soften the shoulders as we exhale. And one more breath into the belly, the beautiful cauldron of transformation, digesting life, emotions, food and exhaling in gratitude. May today's conversation serve the highest self in you that is ready to receive, that is ready to be ignited, and bless this beautiful being, jennifer, that she may take us on a beautiful journey and grant us access to her beautiful self and intuitive self. And I am here grateful in service to the highest self of us and our evolution, let's take a deep breath in together and anchor that in.
Speaker 3:Thank you, thank you Thank you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're in a yummy space I would like to start with. Well, let me back up. I shared a little bit of this with you when we were first in communication on Instagram, and one of the things that I'm perceiving about you, or that I'm taking in in your presence, in what you share on social media, in the class that we're in which I'll talk we can talk about that maybe a bit later here um, is a like how you, how embodied you are, and what struck me. I don't even know if I have the words for this, uh, and it's going to make me emotional. Oh, my gosh, out of the gate, how many minutes we're two minutes in. I'm going to cry.
Speaker 3:Um, a couple of things just. Your own relationship to your, to your beingness, to your body is, is really um, the way that you show up with, that to me feels so beautiful, it feels so powerful, it feels so embodied, and it doesn't, to me, have a whiff of look at me, it just is and um, and I imagine that that's taken you work to get to this place, and so what's? Just? All week, as I've been contemplating this conversation, what's been surfacing for me is to ask you about your relationship to your body.
Speaker 2:Oh so good yeah so.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you want to start and like go back and talk about what the journey has been and where you are now, but take that, take that where you feel like taking that.
Speaker 1:Take it where it takes us right. That's such a wonderful doorway to enter this conversation because, um, you know, I really feel that, yes, it's been, it's been a lot of, it's been a lot of work, self-respect work, self-love work, you know, and self-appreciation work, but mostly grounded in my source, because I feel that when we lead with what where we are created from, it's inevitable that we embrace our own beauty, in a way like a flower embraces her beauty, you know, she doesn't blossom in like, hey, look at me, look how amazing I am, you know. And when you look that way, you realize, wow, that is a beautiful creation. And I think that beauty also has less to do with our physicality, in a way like that is beautiful, right, like we get to dress up, we get to wear the nice textures, all of that. But ultimately, if the beauty isn't from an internal source, it's really just aesthetic, you know, and I really see that as a woman, when we are in our bodies and then comfortable in our skin and and really resourced from our creator, what we're exuding is just that beautiful invitation to the sacred, and I think that that's what makes us beautiful, you know, when we give an invitation to something deeper, to something sacred, rather than just the superficial attention. And I say that because so many of us and myself included, you know, have I've done so many things to like to in a way like you know I'll speak into this Like when I was 21 years old, I got implants and for me at the time, you know, it was led by this kind of like well, everybody's doing it and, of course, like this is kind of the thing you know and and I actually got them removed last year and it had been like a five year journey to get to the surgery of explanting.
Speaker 1:But what I discovered the month before the actual surgery was the deeper reasoning why I made that decision at 21 years old. And for me now, you know, it really gave me sort of this idea of like that was being feminine. You know that was being feminine. You know that was being this powerful feminine. I had these, you know, beautiful breasts and, by the way, I do miss them, I'm not gonna say I don't. I enjoyed very much like yeah, I think that when we start going deeper, into the deeper layers of what makes me beautiful, what makes me nourishing, what makes me fulfilled, you know, you start to find that so many times we modify in the external, we modify in the external what needs to be reconnected in the internal.
Speaker 1:So it's almost like we try to fill this hunger for something deeper through the external and we can say that, you know, it's kind of like attention versus value. You know, if we can have attention, we can, you know, have all that, but it doesn't mean that people value you, it doesn't mean that you value yourself. And so I think that, ultimately, the journey into the body is a challenging one, because we are going to face a lot of the reasons why we don't want to be there. You know why, why we judge ourselves, or who spoke words into us that you know we made opinions or judgments on ourselves, and it's almost like peeling off those layers to really go into that place that honors the body as a vessel of what we are here to create.
Speaker 1:You know, and I often say, like I really love looking at my body and when I work with women, this is the work that we do is learning to see ourselves as a temple and caring for ourselves as a temple where god resides, or creator resides, or the goddess resides. You know, because when we do that, you know, I, I've got a beautiful cathedrals and temples and they have the most beautiful artwork. They are, you know, they have gold they're, they're stunning, you know, but it it's not just that, it's their, their spirit. There, right, there is this energy that you sense and for me that's. Our vessels like these are only external, uh, mirrors to our own sacredness in our own people, and then you also begin to appreciate others, you know.
Speaker 1:So the whole comparison thing, the whole, you know, like not wanting someone to look better than you, or the whole ageism thing, that is a very real thing for us women, very real thing for us women. All that it just lessens because you start to realize that those are all just ways in which we are distracted from our true inner beauty, our true capacity and capability, you know, I mean, the woman's body is just incredible, it's miraculous. We, we weave babies, we weave humans into being. There is not one organic human in the world walking around that did not come through a woman's womb, through a woman's body. Like, how sacred, how wow, you know. And so when we start to really see that and value that over whatever culture says is hot right now, it's a whole different way of embracing life and embracing yourself.
Speaker 3:Taking a lot of notes. Um, I imagine that there are some listeners listening and I would. There's a piece of me that probably still feels this and for sure, many of years ago felt this strongly. It's like okay, that's great, annabelle, I hear that, but I'm single and men like this, or, but there's a lot of like, yeah, but that is what society says is hot. And so does this mean that I will be fill in the blank? Um, not accepted in my friend group, outcasts, that I won't find anybody, that there's these fears, right, that are beneath, going against what society is telling us is normal and acceptable. And so I don't even, I guess. I'm not sure quite what the question is, except that I'm observing that I think that that's really a real thing that people, right, we struggle with. Like, okay, how do I just let go? Like, and you said, well, I like to get dressed up and I like to, you know so, but how do I let go of that being central, or the fear around letting go of that? You know?
Speaker 1:I get it, I get it. I've been there. You know, I'm 44 years old and I am single currently, and so I feel like that's something that it's inevitable that we're going to come face to face with. I feel like that's something that it's inevitable that we're going to come face to face with, and that's where. That's where I feel, anytime that you go against the grain or against the norm in something, one of the things that's going to prepare you for what's on the other side is the ability to accept that. You know the ability to accept that, yes, you may not have the same environment on the other side or the same group of friends on the other side, but the question then becomes what is what? What are you anchored in Like? What are the values that that are fulfilling to you? Because I can keep playing along in this game. You know, chasing that forever. Youth serum, chasing that forever.
Speaker 1:You know, like trying to look 20 years old, you know, when I'm 44 or it's, it's an endless chase, and whenever we focus on the material aspect of it, that's the thing about material pursuits is that they're always going to make us feel not good enough, because it's always a chase right. So it's like, okay, you got the car, now, oh, what's next? You got the house, now, what's next? You got the, you got that surgery, what's next?
Speaker 1:You know, like, that's it's an ongoing thing, but when we bring it back to the inner, the inner cultivation of our energy, of our power, of our remembrance of something ancient that lives within a woman, that is a, if you build momentum and it just grows on its own, you know it's kind of like you, you grow interest in it, you know, without how you having to feel like you're not good enough. And actually what happens is that the challenge is at the beginning, always, you know, because at the beginning it feels like that You've got to. You know it's almost like a shedding of skins. You've got to dissolve these identifications that have kept us chained to systems that do not want us to thrive, that do not want us to be self-expressed, and so when we do that, yes, it feels challenging and it hurts and all those things, you know, and all those things, but then that is the preparation itself to be able to hold power, to be able to exude trust, to be able to understand that what is meant for.
Speaker 2:You can never be taken away.
Speaker 1:So I would rather, you know, cultivate my energy and wait for it. I don't, you know, I don't even believe in the word waiting, because I think that we're always in preparation. So, whatever it is that I quote, unquote waiting for, I'm actually being prepared in this moment to receive it, because if I, if it's not here yet, there's a part of me that's still developing to receive it, in that, in that way, it's like I rather, you know, wait and cultivate, work on on myself, you know, and show up and work on my ability to receive love and my ability to be okay with you know, 20 different dates and men and who are only interested in my boobs or my butt or my, you know, like that aspect of it, like they just want to go have a good time. It's like no, I think I rather, you know, slow down and really cultivate my energy.
Speaker 1:And I will tell you this, you know, even this year it's been really fascinating because ever since I had my explant, I really feel a different energy within myself. It's almost like I created a space in my being that is now being. I feel it and it's emerging and one of the things that I've gotten this year. It's almost a year now but is is this aspect of like my like, wow, Annabelle, you're, you're, you feel so feminine, you feel so gentle, but also, you know it's not like a, a stuff that is just kind of lost or in the ethers. You know, and and I also know that I have men around me that value, that you know that, that are saying you know what? This is really rare, this is not. We don't really experience this, and some men will not be prepared for that, not be prepared for that, and that's also. You know that it's not, it's not necessarily about me, but it's that someone else isn't prepared for the level of integrity, the level of soul led life that I value and so beautiful.
Speaker 3:I want to. I actually had written this down, Um, and you basically used some of these words verbatim. I wanted to ask I actually had written this down, um, and you basically used some of these words verbatim. I wanted to ask you about this in relationship or in dating, because this is how I, how I'm experiencing you. Is that that you feel really, um, yeah, feminine flower, like soft but also fierce and I'm going to use the word Oracle, I don't know what word to use, but just the way that you channel, the way that you are source and how that, how that can show up in a relationship and if we can speak to that romantically, because to me it is this beautiful union of so many things leading and being ledening and being fierce, like it's a lot of that, um. So I just, if you can just expand a bit more on what you were just saying when you said that there are men around you that say I don't see this that often. What do they? What do you think they mean by that?
Speaker 1:yeah yeah, you know, I, I feel that there is, um, there is a you know, and thank you. Thank you for all those beautiful words. I think that I have experimented and experienced the full spectrum of being a woman. You know, and, and, and. Now I'm in a place where I feel this inner power really grounded in, and understanding that it's not, it's not mine. I am in service to something greater. You know so when.
Speaker 1:For me, you know, getting on here and having a conversation, this is how I am receiving the moment, right, where it's a what is alive right now, rather than me memorize, you know, a book and just being so knowledgeable, there's a difference. There's a difference between wisdom and knowledge right, and when wisdom is present, it is alive and it changes things in the moment. So, when someone is in your presence and you are attuned to your wisdom, to your own source of wisdom, that field is informing the person that's around you as well. Men that have that like they're willing to pay for my counsel, you know, because it's like I may not know anything about their business, but they're, and I, and to me it's like, well, that's your partner's job, in a way, you know, like that's a but because we're not developed as women, we are not sourced in that way, and I believe, I really feel, that a woman is an Oracle.
Speaker 1:You said that, but we've got to develop this skill because it's been forgotten. We have focused more on an external beauty in order to get resources than our inner value and wisdom, and of course it it wasn't safe at some time. You know, at some point it wasn't safe to do that. Women have been shaped into believing that we are weak and that we need this, this physical, masculine protection and resource, and and there is truth to that. But along that, that path, we forgot and instead we're competing. We're competing for the men, we're competing for resources, we're competing for, you know, who looks better, who's younger, all of these things where, when we return to our center and of course, this is not popular, you know, we're probably not going to see this on you know, being valued on TikTok on you know being valued.
Speaker 2:on TikTok, not yet.
Speaker 1:I will you know, I will tell you this, though it is more of a conversation now than it was when I started my journey, right. So there is progress, but I also, but I also believe that as a woman, it's important to value generational wealth, generational inheritance. And when we, you know, when we're doing this work, like for myself, I'm not just thinking of my lifetime, I'm thinking of the generations that will come, because I have experienced the benefits of women who have done their work before me. I stand on their shoulders, you know. And so for me, that's what.
Speaker 1:When we really reconnect to the bigger picture, the bigger purpose of why we're here, and we source ourselves to that like that's our true resource, and we source ourselves to that Like that's our true resource, because that's our intuition, that's our wisdom, that's our sense felt of reality. We're able to discern lies through our body. You know, we're able to protect ourselves in a way that external protection you cannot do. And in the world today, there's noise you know it's confusing there's information about everything, everywhere, all the time Things sound the same. And so for me, it's so important that I cultivate my vessel as sort of that, interpreting the vibration of things, the energetics of things. And when my body is not clear and I am reactive, I'm not emotionally developed or I am too limited in my thinking, then I am not, I don't have access to that, and so this is why it's important like even in that program that we're in together right To be able to, to dissolve those limitations, those stories that we believe, and to really get in touch with what's at the core of this our innocence, our truth, our birthright, that we were created by something that it's almost like this just benevolence that moves through us but that is distorted in the expression of the world. And it's the restoration of that, the remembrance. We have been here before. We've, you know, we have been in this vessels.
Speaker 1:You know we can look up times in history where oracles were valued. You know they were sought out. They were, you know, the oracles of Delphi, right Like they were trained women were trained to become these priestesses and these oracles and and these, these wise women, medicine women, all of those things that now we have come into the, into this society. And you know, now it's about climbing corporate ladders, you know, or, or or, different definitions of success, and I think that right now what's happening? All that's crumbling because our feminine bodies cannot function in that system. We have a unique blueprint that is very different, and so this is why we have adrenal fatigue. This is why we are, you know, experiencing all these physical ailments, because the body's saying like, hey, no, I, I, I don't want this. This is why, right now that that soft era girl is so popular, because it's like wait a minute, it's a real thing the bodies are shutting, actually shutting down.
Speaker 3:They're like I just talked to two women in the last two weeks that had they're not talking about this type of conversation, but they're experiencing that of just like I had to quit my job because my body was shutting down and I think what you just said is like it's crumbling because it's not working and I just think it's inevitable. Whether we choose it or not, it's going to choose us because of what you just said about our bodies shutting down and not being functioning that way. And I wanted to come back A few things that you just said are really sticking out to me. Using the words oracle and wise woman and you know we're talking about ageism and beauty and all of that. And, as you're saying that, I'm feeling the depth of what you've cultivated in your vessel and the wise woman and the Oracle, and, if you can speak into that a little bit, you know what is an Oracle.
Speaker 3:How could we, how, what did they function as historically and how would we develop that now? And and if I'm I know I'm giving you a lot, but the this path sort of that I'm seeing in this conversation potentially is, what is the new vision that we're creating for the wise woman, for the woman that is entering a new phase, that's not constantly looking back going. I wish I could be that. What? What is the new vision?
Speaker 1:Oh, so you know the I and I'm going to speak about my own kind of vision for it and you know, and that, and hopefully that serves. But for me I feel like, you know, women remembering their true power is so important because we are operating under false matrices of power. And this can be the independent woman. You know that I don't need anybody, I could do it all myself. The super woman, you know, that's like I am a mom and I run a business and da, da, da, and there's like a pride in that, you know, and there's also this power of like. This is my truth and you know, and I'm going to fight for it. And I feel that all those are stages in which we can remember our true source. However, I feel that as the maturation journey unfolds, what we realize is that actually, the deepest, most powerful sense of power is gentleness, it's grace, it's soft and also it's fierce. But it's not fierce in the sense of fighting for it. It's fierce in its sense of knowing, because for me, when I speak from that fierceness, I am not fighting for anything, because the moment that I try to defend something, it means that there's a part of me that doubts it. So I've got to prove a point. And now where that fierceness comes from is I am standing here and I stand for this. So it's more like you know, when we're talking about benevolent power, which is what I call it is the ability to become a life giver, to be a walking blessing, to be a field of forgiveness, and not in the sense of you bypassed everything, but rather because you're doing the work and you're exploring the polarities of things that you're recognizing. This is what's true in my being. This doesn't work for me, and so you're able to give yourself permission. You're able to give yourself permission to really get to know who you are, because most of us do not know who we are. We, we believe that we do, because they're programs that you know our parents or society or we think are cool. You know, but really we do. Most of us do not know who we are because we don't give ourselves the permission to explore what that is, and for me, what that's. You know what that's like.
Speaker 1:I'm a mom, I have an 18 year old, and even that you know. I think there's so many projections that a woman receives in this, in this society, and you know both good and bad. But I also feel that, for example, with my son, like some people tell me, oh, your son must be so amazing and you know, and with you know, a mom like you, you're-year-old, you know, and I don't want to impose things on him that are images. I want him to explore who he is, you know, and so for me that's a challenge because, as a mom, I want my son to do well, be well, look well, you know, and to be able to step back and say, hey, have your experience, I'm here as your mom, but go out there, have your experience, make the mistakes, find out who you are without your mom, find out who you are, you know, and I think that I'm so willing to do that for him, even though it is challenging.
Speaker 1:But when it comes to me, I didn't want to do that and I think that that's that's where we're as a woman.
Speaker 1:When we, when it comes to us, we are so we put ourselves last.
Speaker 1:Even when you think that you know you're really good with boundaries and all that, it's like you, you deplete yourself in order to fulfill images, in order to fulfill roles that have become an identity, and when those roles don't uphold the perfection that you wish, then we feel like a failure, or we feel like that Right, because if you know, granted, my son will decide to do whatever with his life, but if it's not what I would idealize, I could easily say that I could have done a better job as a mom.
Speaker 1:It means something about me as a mom and it doesn't. You know, at this point I'm like you have your own life, I'm going to love you as your mother, but I'm your guardian, I'm not your keeper. And so go live your life, rest your gifts. And I turn around and I tell myself the same thing. You know, and we're always evolving, Like you know. We go through our Saturn returns, we go through cycles. We go through cycles, we are cyclical beings, pretending that we're not pretending that we're always supposed to be in spring and summer, you know, always kind of nursing and you know, and having fun in the sun.
Speaker 1:Well, there's also autumn and winter and those are actually very necessary for a healthy and fruitful spring and summer. And so I do think that, you know, the body is so resilient, but eventually it will start to give you the signals that what you're missing out on, you know, and it wants to return to harmony, because the body wants to harmonize. It's created for that, for health, for vitality. So whatever is moving us of that vitality is going to begin to express itself as ailments. And most of us, you know, I mean I didn't grow up knowing about my cycle, about how important it was, like the hormonal changes that every week, the different hormonal shift for my body, and here I am pretending to be the same for the whole month, it's right, you know, and this is why we think we're crazy, or this is why we've allowed, we've allowed those partners to, you know, to kind of tell us like, oh, are you on your period or are you like, you're exaggerating, you're dramatic, you're emotional? Absolutely I am, that's my nature.
Speaker 2:You're welcome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like this is me, this is, it's a full expression of woman. But when I'm unaware of that, it's in a it's in a destructive way. You know, when I'm unaware of that. Actually, if I see this as an ally, you know, if I understand that every week I have different access to different wisdom, then I'm going to honor it in a different way. Different wisdom, then I'm going to honor it in a different way.
Speaker 1:But most of us not, you know, I mean, and birth control is one of the ways that, you know, we disconnect from the cycle and or, or just, you know, medicated. But even cramping, you know, cramping is, is a cramping, is contraction of the uterus, and these are like waves of pleasure that are contracted. Pleasure cannot move through our beings, and I'm just not talking sex, I'm talking about pleasure, the senses being alive. If it doesn't, then it contracts, and this is why a lot of us experience those painful cramps. It's not meant to be painful, yet that's the same thing we do with life. You know, wherever we're experiencing those contractions, those painful, yeah, that's the same thing we do with life. You know, wherever we're experiencing those contractions, those painful contractions, there's life wanting to move. Yeah, right. And so you see everything in nature. Nature is such a wonderful teacher and it's an extension of our bodies, and when we start to pay attention to what our body's saying in a greater context, we realize we do have a blueprint on how to live on this planet, even though the systems currently in place do not benefit because they're profit driven, not human driven, right. And so that's where we go against the grain. We, you know, and I, and I think that it's also really beautiful because we're we're in a time where we can get creative about how to be in business. We don't need to be in a brick and mortar office. Now, you know, it's like I'm sitting here in my living room having this conversation with you. I'm sitting here in my living room having this conversation with you. You're having a beautiful, awesome time to reach so many people, and so it's more.
Speaker 1:When we know, when we return to knowing ourselves and being in our bodies and residing in that, everything else begins to emerge, and our work is to be patient with it, which, of course, that's the challenge, right and to reconnect to what is that mythology that is wanting to live out through our lives, through our experience? What is that that you are here to gift the world. It isn't. It isn't, you know, it may not be what you think it is, but when we, when we begin to unravel and and return to ourselves, that's where we reconnect to that source of every woman can be an oracle. Every woman has that this.
Speaker 1:But we've gotta learn to listen because, yeah, that's a loud voice like, oh, hey, this is the wisdom. No, it comes as an cultivated inner silence. And then your body, because it's a different language, you know it's. It's not like I hear a voice, it just comes and it and it's not like I hear a voice, it just comes and it comes in like the way I feel it in my body comes like in these waves of you know, this energy, I can feel it when it's present and this is spirit. And when you know, for some of us who have gone to church and have been in religion and things like that, if you've ever had a spiritual experience in one of those services, that spirit that is yours, that doesn't belong to the church, it doesn't belong to the religion, it doesn't belong to the institution. That's you tapping in to that source. But of course that's a whole other subject.
Speaker 2:I'm like Annabelle, but I mean I'll tell the listeners before we hit record. I was like Annabelle. I don't just don't talk yet because I know you're going to flow and riff, you're going to like battle, wrap it out, um, thank you, oh, there's so this is so powerful?
Speaker 3:Um, I had a question for you.
Speaker 3:Oh, so, as we're learning, as we're learning how to tune in to our body and we're we're waking up to this sense of intuition and call in mythology that wants to come through us, and I feel this at times too, those contractions, I mean, it reached out to you a week ago like help, I'm contracting, you know, have these moments of doubt, fear, am I crazy?
Speaker 3:And you know, I think you had called it I don't know if you called it the feminine wound or if I, but just that, that ancient wounding that is there around this, like being an intuitive, wise woman, oracle, and the fear of taking that quote unquote too far or being crazy in that and but then, but then wrestling, or I'll just speak to my own experience, as the knowing is becoming, as I'm becoming more sensitive to my knowing, the fight becomes less because the knowing is so strong. It's just like I can't not do these things, but it's. It's working through those contraction points or sitting with them right To come, to come through them. But, um, so I'm curious if somebody is kind of in that place where I was at a week ago or whenever that was, or in these moments of fear around stepping into their knowing. What would you say to them?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, you said it that there is an ancient memory of a wound, and this is important for us to know.
Speaker 1:This is why I say like, until a woman knows where she comes from, she doesn't, she cannot truly know where she's going or what she's here for. Because when we, when we, begin to come into the body, the body holds memory right, and now you know, there's so many things that prove that, that say that studies right, like that wonderful book, the Body Keeps Score, it holds memory, but we think that it only holds our memory of this life. But memory in the body is also lineage long. Memory in the body is also lineage long, and one of the things is when we are woven from, even before we were in our mother's womb, the egg that we come from was actually in our grandmother, great grandmother's womb, and so there's all this epigenetic material that is passed down and that we are still carrying in our bodies, in our tissue, and so when we come back into the body to say I want to be my highest self, I want to feel fulfilled, we really don't know what we're asking for. Right, there's a reason why we're not remembering.
Speaker 2:You've forgotten some things on purpose. This is not amnesia. You chose to forget because it's a lot.
Speaker 1:So you know, and I think that's such a perfect setup, you know, it's the intelligence of life, that it's kind of like when you, when you give birth, and then you know, six months later you forgot how painful that was. Maybe I do want to do it again. There is this memory that begins to awaken and you know, there was times in our feminine body, our collective feminine body, where, you know, women were burned at the stake for being attuned to their medicine, whether it was working with herbs, whether it was, you know, just dreams that they would have gnosis. So their auriculness and their medicine woman self was burned at the stake, was taken into an asylum, and there was. So, there's so much pain in our collective feminine body that when we begin to tap into those gifts, that needs to be reinstated, and so we're going to have these fears that feel at times so much bigger than us. You know, this isn't a little fear that you have. It's almost like a haunting in a way. Sometimes you know where it's like. Do I want to do it, do I not?
Speaker 1:But something in you knows that it has to go there, because it already chose that, and so many of us now, because we have made that choice to be born into this incarnation and become a part of this movement, of this restoration or what I call this revival. This is part of the work to remember, and I kind of I like to think of it that this is the price we pay, I like to think of it that this is the price we pay, this is the education that we, that we engage in order to receive and become available for the gifts that are there, because, yes, there is so much feminine, collective, feminine body pain, but there's also so much wisdom, so much medicine, so much power, you know, that flows through, through there, and so it's almost like our vessel also has to be upgraded. It has to be, you know, um, cultivated with bandwidth to be able to hold the voltage of power, of true power, of power that, you know is it's benevolent in its essence, but it also has the ability to destroy and the discernment you know that I can hold a full spectrum power, but I would not exercise it or make choices that are out of alignment with my source and what I stand for in this life. And that is powerful because then you are, you are in union in yourself, you are your feminine and you are your masculine. They've come into this sacred marriage inside of yourself and even your own sacred child, because we all have our inner wounded child. And so when, when we reunite this holy family within, then this is when we are actually available for life, Because now I can trust my inner masculine to stand up for myself and not receive others' opinions and judgments that are not supportive of me, and I also have access to my beautiful feminine. That is healing, that is grace, you know, and she doesn't have to hide, she doesn't have to pretend to be for that, she doesn't have to just smile and be pretty, you know it's.
Speaker 1:They've come into this allyship within that now allows me to stand up with assertiveness, you know, and I think that for a woman, this is kind of one of the things that we've, we've, we've learned is that we're either passive or we're aggressive.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like if I'm in the boardroom and I've got to be this way, and it's like that aggressiveness or that passivity that I am just here in service to everyone, I'm lost, I don't take care of myself, I don't know how to hold a boundary, but really, when we bring those two together, instead of being separate, they become assertiveness, because you know where to exercise your power and you know when to step back and receive.
Speaker 1:You know, you know that sometimes that's what's needed and again, when we have this kind of knowing inside of ourselves, you really can create anything in the world, because you're not concerned with other people's limited opinions of you, your life of the world, because you're attuned to something greater and you're also not going to hide your softness and your gentleness, because that's what, that's what actually brings you alive.
Speaker 1:You know so, and to bring it back because I don't think that I answered directly your question about the vision for a woman, and I feel like it's so important because for me, that embodied woman is the, it's the, the, the fountain of life for her community, for her family, for her society. You know, because it's almost like she becomes a vessel of living water. You know, and what happens? Like towns and cities are built around these wells of living water, right, and so that's what it is. It's like almost you become this source of this endless wisdom and stream of care, and so you know who then stands in front of that and some people are going to be like, oh, get away from me, you know, kind of like a vampire, which is great.
Speaker 2:You don't want those people around you. I want you away anyways.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. There is so much beauty in that and also in reclaiming that instinctual self of woman that is attuned to her fierceness. You know who hasn't lost her claws, who hasn't lost her fearfulness, but who also doesn't walk around in that you know who doesn't walk around guarded or defensive all the time, but rather it's like yeah, my claws are here and I don't. You know, I don't need them unless I need them, you know, and when I, when they come out there, they're ready.
Speaker 1:And I think that that's another aspect of woman is reclaiming her, her knowledge and her ability to be in a world of predators, because predators are here and when we don't want to acknowledge that we are the victim to that, or we are, you know, or we become perpetrators as well, because, you know, woman can also be the victimizer and the manipulative and the.
Speaker 1:You know all these things, you know that right, all these things that we don't want to be but that are there, and so when we restore all those aspects of ourselves into health, they all work together for this beautiful harmony rather than, you know, try to keep them away, and that one's not pretty. So I don't want her in my space. I often feel like there's a thousand women in me, you know, and they all want different things at times, and then there's times that they're all working together, you know, and that's for me such a blessing, because I think that that's where we tune into different streams of wisdom that come together for what's the highest and best for this person in front of me or this situation in front of me. But that also includes me, that it doesn't exclude me, because most of us are great at that, but we exclude ourselves. So it really is about including ourselves in our own, loving in our own life.
Speaker 3:What a beautiful vision. Oh, I don't If they're not watching this on YouTube. It's moving me to tears because it's true, it's just truth. To me, it's so beautiful. You said you use the word revival, that we're. I don't know if you said we're on the, in the midst of it or it's about to happen. Can you speak to what that revival is and what? What? What you know?
Speaker 1:Yes, you know, I love this. I love this word so much because it's it's the, it's the remembrance of something ancient, the that coming alive again, and I feel that this is what is happening. You know, I call it the womb revival because and actually it was Richard Rudd who we were having a conversation and he was like how is that womb revival going, you know? And I was like, wow, that is genius. You're right, it is, and the. And why I love that is because that word has been used by religious institutions for the most part, but when we bring it back into our bodies, what we're experiencing is that feminine revival that, not feminist, but feminine, and it's a feminine spirit, is the feminine christ, it is that. That is that is awakening within our bodies and that the beautiful thing about this is it's not. It's not anything new or that we have to. You know, it's what you're experiencing right now. Even when you're hearing me and I say this all the time I'm not saying anything that you don't already know. I'm not, because we're all come from that same source and we all carry these ancient memories. You carry memories of your lineage, jen, that I carry memories of my lineage, and when we come together, we remember together and it's almost like a thread is connected, it's reconnected in this web, right. And so, for me, this feminine revival, this feminine Christ that is being birthed, born through the woman's body, at this time, is so important, because this is reconnecting us to our ancient power for today's world, you know, and how does that feminine Christ show up in her home? Now, you know, after it being fragmented for so many generations. You know, we've been under agendas that have fragmented our humanity, our care, our compassion, our grace. And this is what we're reweaving our compassion, our grace, and this is what we're reweaving.
Speaker 1:But we cannot do that if we don't stand in our own source, because then we're still seduced by external forms of power, you know, or of value, that, or validation not value of validation that move us away from actually what is truly valuable, which is our own inner being. And that you know I think I said this in one of the calls but you become that fragrance. You know it's an essence, it's nothing that you learn or pay to get. You know it's, it's like it's you, it's your commitment, your devotion flowering and and that's an inner journey, and what people like me, women like me, that I'm sitting here talking to you about these things. I speak from my experience. I don't speak from a textbook. You know that is great reference and it served me. You know we have vehicles that allow us to deepen, but ultimately all that is tools, because what you have is the uniqueness, there's wisdom in you that's going to come through you, that will ignite remembrance in other women, in other humans. You know, and so this is when we're in that authenticity. It kind of comes forth naturally.
Speaker 1:You know, and so many of us are like you know, I've spent so much money trying like, how do I do this, how do I do that? Where it's like you know, at the end of the day, all those things are beautiful and helpful, but your development with your creator, that relationship, that faith, is what's going to give you the courage to go against the grain and to say you know what actually, maybe I won't. You know, and this is no judgment, because I've done it all you know, and I want to say that, like I'm speaking from where I am right now, today, but even the aspect of you know it's, it's almost like woman's being erased and it's like the more that we're remembering, the more fierce that becomes of that erasure of woman. You, you know, and even even through our facial expressions, you know, it's like the more Botox, like now, that you, that you have and you can't move your face, like to me, that's, that's an erasure of our expression, because I can't tell when you're mad Unless you open your mouth. I can't tell when you're happy and excited and surprised. You know, and this is now normalized as a good thing, you know, and so so for me, that's why you know, and obviously I'm very expressive, right, but that just feels.
Speaker 1:I remember when I went in, I had, I had Botox, for I think when I turned 38. My sister was like I'm going to give you a gift, let's go do this, because you know you have these brown lines, like you look, like you're always concerned. And I was like, okay, let's go. And after that, you know, I just felt like, I felt like I couldn't. There was a part of me that couldn't. I was disconnected from. It was almost like this heaviness that I was walking around and maybe it was because it was too much, I don't know but there was this heaviness and this thing of like just reminding me constantly of what. Why am I wanting to erase the expressions that make me me, you know. And then when my niece was born, you know, that kind of just really took it to another level, because I see myself as her role model as she grows up, cause I'm like, I'm the cool auntie, you know or the weird.
Speaker 1:I, you know, I said I don't want to be a role model of that for her. I want her to see like wow, you, you can be beautiful in these other ways, you can. You know, you don't have to look like a uniform cookie cutter woman because we're all trying to fit into these cookie cutter things that we're not designed for. We're all so unique and beautiful and I really think it's our own job not societies, not men's jobs, but our own to reclaim that, embody it, live it. And then we're going to create different kind of standards for ourselves, different standards for our relationships and for and you know what I will say men adapt because men want to procreate.
Speaker 1:So and most like we're good, botox or not, boobs or not, we're good and it really is mostly women like us, women that are like, think about, like you know, sometimes when, when I wear something really cute and I'm like, I'm thinking about my girlfriends, I'm like, and when they're going to be like, oh, that's a pretty dress or whatever it is, men don't really do that, men don't really care. You know, but there is a normalization that you know we have, and then they're able to get away with a lot and so, whatever they can, if you have any teenagers, you understand this that teens are going to push their boundaries and whatever they get away with, they're just going to keep pushing and pushing. And so, if they're, if our standards keep lowering and lowering, they're not going to be the one to say, hey, you should have higher standards for yourself, hey, you should have higher standards for yourself. You know, no, they're not. You know our job and you know, something I was talking to my, my friend this morning about was how we can sit here and say, well, men, this men, that. But ultimately, who is raising these men? It's us, we are raising these men. And so you know.
Speaker 1:And, granted, there's so many single moms I'm a single mom but there's so many single moms that when we don't understand our value. We also impose things upon our kids and our boys and we treat them a certain way and that develops how they see, view, value or not. Women you know how they commodify women, and so there is a that's what I'm saying like everything's in the home and it begins in us, because then, when you are the overflow, you're just naturally overflowing rather than trying to fix your environment. You're just naturally overflowing rather than trying to fix your environment, right? So I really do feel that the more that women step into this, we are going to see a shift because, again, the more that we raise our standards, men are also going to adjust to that, and men do want powerful women. They just don't. I feel like they do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just powerful women, they just don't know what they did. I feel like they do. Yeah, I just, I mean the way I see you, the way I see you know, alana Warlup, I just interviewed these different women that I'm like, huh, like, how could a man not want that? You know, it's because it's it's true beauty, it's true power, it's, and to me, so attractive, right, it's magnetic. It's magnetic because it's real, versus just like, and I think you're right, I, or as you're saying, that I'm like, yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of men that are like, oh, this is what we have, so we'll work with what we have. But maybe the other thing that's coming to my mind too, is that this kind of woman or we'll use you as an example, and I hope me it requires more of men. It just is going to require them to be to show up a lot differently.
Speaker 1:And that's the, and I think that that's kind of the where we are at in, because it does require integrity. Right, like you, you are going to, uh, have a partner. Match your integrity. Right Like you, you are going to have a partner. Match your integrity, match your honesty, your ability to, to be in it together. And if this man feels well, it's easier if I go, and there's these other 10 women that don't care about integrity, all they care about is my attention. So, and that's what we're in. But when that man begins to realize the fruitfulness that a woman in her embodied nature, brings to his life and he will remember that too, because that what that is a remembrance for men you know that there is your partner, will make you or will break you, and that's what that is. So if you're with a woman who's a very superficial, who is not, then that's what you're going to be able to receive and do, and at one point you'll have the Barbie, you'll have the house, the car, but what about your soul? What about like what? What creates that?
Speaker 1:When men think of a powerful woman, what they have seen now, it's a feminist woman who does, who, um, what is the word Emasculates? Who emasculate their masculine right Because a woman who's leading in that there's no place for a man. So that's where I I feel like a lot of men are like oh, women in their power, no thanks, because they're more thinking of that feminist power kind of bulldozing, energy, aggressiveness, where, when you are a woman, where you're embodied, you're fierce about your calling, about your mission, about your loved ones right, but also nurturing, and you're soft and you're gentle, and that's what men desire the most is peace. Peace because the world is not that. So, you know, when we're in partnership, that's the nourishment, that where we get to nourish each other and not just the women. You know the men too, but we have different gifts and when we can come together, we amplify each other and not just a woman. You know the men too, but we, we have different gifts and when we can come together we amplify each other.
Speaker 1:Rather than, this is what I expect of you and this is what you. You know it's. It's not a a transactional, uh, relationship in that way. It's a value driven lifestyle and and relationship where you know you, I want what's best for you because that's what's best for me at the end of the day. You know, and both find that and and yes, there is not. You know a lot, but also you know that's what some of these men I mean you know. For example, you know Dan, he's a very beautiful, embodied, integral man. But you know, some of these men are also saying the same thing, like, where are these women? Because you have people that are conscious, quote unquote, but you know there's still so much of that overt sexuality leak, you know, or repression, or expectations. So there there is this aspect of men also haven't really experienced that woman.
Speaker 3:Wow, can we talk about that? That was something that had come to my mind a couple of weeks ago. Um, uh, let's see if I can put this into words. I feel like you're going to do way better than me. In my mind, there's like two women standing here right, and maybe they're both on the spectrum of consciousness, if we want to use that that phrase, and they both feel comfortable in their skin. And one is overtly sexual and one is very comfortable with her sensuality and her sacred sensuality and her body. And in my mind, when we talk about the erasure of women or the erasure of our power, sexuality was a piece of that and it's been a part of my journey is to to find right relationship with that that isn't overtly sexual, but that is fully that. There's not shame there, that that's yeah. So can you speak into that a bit?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know, for for me, I I am a very sexual woman, in the integrity of that expression, and what that means for me is that my sexuality isn't for attention or validation driven. And granted, I'm not perfect, so perhaps in some unconscious ways it still shows up. Yet when I am in my, when I am in a, in my sexual expression, for me what's most important is the intentionality of it container for my sexuality that is held within sacredness and holiness. Then I am free to be self-expressed, to be fully expressed. There's no shame, there's no guilt, because we are the body of the goddess, right, we are the body of God, of the creator. So there is nothing to be ashamed of, there is nothing. But I also have the understanding that there's all these programs that feed off of my forgetting of the sacredness of my sexuality. You know that has abused it, utilized it. You know I talked about my implants. That was a false matrix of power that I was willingly signing up for so that I could feel more powerful in my sexuality, and so surrendering that, you know it's almost like you surrender a part of that, but what? What is blossoming now is all the authentic nourishment, the authentic power that is my birthright and my matrix when I am with my partner.
Speaker 1:You know, for me this is really important, that when I am with my partner and we have this, you know, commitment or integrity within it. For me, there's really nothing that I say this doesn't go here because it's a healing space. So, you me, there's really nothing that I say this doesn't go here because it's a healing space. So you know, there's an aspect of being able to explore the shadows and the gifts and the grace and the beauty and all of that. That's all part of the sexuality.
Speaker 1:Yet if I, you know, if I, if I kind of say, well, well, this, this doesn't go because this isn't holy, this isn't sacred, you know there is an aspect of that, well, I'm not contained, then like within that, that, um, that vessel of of alchemy that sexuality truly is.
Speaker 1:And so for me, when the way I see my partner is, my partner is a human, that I get to worship the divine through him and same with me. And so when we come together as that, all of our little inadequacies that are human, they're seen in a different way. That is healing. That are human, they're seen in a different way. That is healing. It actually heals it, because then I can allow myself to be seen in the imperfection of my human, because I stand for something greater, and that's the energy that's in the vessel, that's alchemizing. And so when you're lucky, blessed enough to be able to be like that with someone, what it opens in them it inevitably is the same, because, as a woman, our sexuality is also meant to initiate, to initiate men into their godliness, into their yeah, I want to pause you on that and I want you to go deeper on that.
Speaker 3:If you can, I actually do. I have it. I don't know if this is totally related, but so I've got the Mary the Magdalene. I always mix up the day. Make no Magdalene mysteries. This book, I know I like it's all marked up. It's amazing. The let's see if I can find the one spot.
Speaker 1:Big shout out to amazing, my amazing teacher, saren, and Asda, yeah you know them.
Speaker 3:We haven't talked about this serendipitous like. Oh it's wild. This book has been like and and a huge unlock for me, to say the least. She's. This is the part of the book in the very beginning where she's talking about the Christ and Mary Magdalene and how she is the anointrix and he is. Magdalene is a title meaning the initiator, and Christ is a title for the anointed one, and so I wanted to ask you about that and that's been just kind of floating around in me lately, to this idea of what a woman initiates and a man in that sexual union, what's happening there and vice versa.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, so good, so good, so good. You know, I, I, I feel that the most important aspect of this is that, though it's, it's that return to our power, because this is part of our power, this remembrance and I, you know, woman is a bridge between spirit and and matter right, we hold this, this, uh, wisdom, that the woman's body is informed by spirit, by this opening, initiating energy, and when we are able to cultivate that, when we're able to honor that and to value that, then when you, when you are with your, with a partner, you actually what you initiate and, like the, the anointing that happens is that they are brought back into divine alignment.
Speaker 1:They are brought back into remembrance of their mission, of their kingdom. You know, there it's almost like you and you initiate and, and this was actually things that women did do in history. You know that, were they, warriors would come to temples of women to be healed sexually. You know to be you know in that, because it was held within a different context than what it would be today. You know that was corrupted into brothels. That's what that was. When the patriarchy stepped in, it really corrupted a lot of women's sexual powers.
Speaker 1:But the the, when we restore that within ourselves, that blueprint, this is the most intimate we can ever be with anyone else. Right, like this is true intimacy. And so when someone lays down their guard, their weapons, their shields, their armor, and they come together in that space, what opens is this healing energetic vortex. And that's where, you know, but the woman is holding this space because we are naturally carriers, we hold faith andestate them. You know we carry so many things, so it's it. It's like creating that sacred, healing space where a man finally relax deeply on a cellular level and is all. Something rises within him. And so when it's a a two-way, reciprocal uh space and intention, then that's where miracles can happen, because that's where you know, you, you co-create, from that space.
Speaker 1:Like that, it's not just about you know. The conception of a baby is an example of the capacity that a man and a woman have to create life on this planet, but it isn't just human babies, you know. This is like the woman can carry the vision gestated. But the man also has such an important piece here. And, and this is why you know, when I hear women talk about I, we don't need men, we don't. I'm like what? No, absolutely I love men, I need men. Like, yes, I cannot, I mean that's not an no. Like I am not signing up for that mission, I am not going to that planet.
Speaker 1:You know, because, again, like when you realize what is possible between the both of you, or or, in that space, the healing, the remembrance, the. You know, I have had experiences where you know and I don't know if you or any of your listeners have, but you know, have you ever had this like an orgasm where you just this energy moves through you, just cry, you weep? Yes, that's, that's remembrance, that's opening, that's opening our feminine body, that's allowing that space. But you know, when I, at the beginning, when I was to experience that, I thought something was wrong with me and I would go to the bathroom and I'm like, oh my God, what's wrong with me? Like I'm so emotional, you know, and now I realize, wow, I allow it because what it does, it's almost like it opens this, this black hole of of access, you know, of remembrance, and that is so, that's purity and that expresses sexually. So you know how we look at our sexuality matters Pleasure is a byproduct, pleasure is a small thread of the real sexual potential that exists there, you know.
Speaker 1:And of course, in order for us to access that sexuality, we also have to have an embodied sensuality, you know, and sensuality is being connected to our senses and being connected into the world as like this interconnected web, right, like I feel the breeze, I experience the sunlight, as this pleasure, as this, like I can attune to that, that sensuality, and I bring those things into my sexual experiences, or even with myself, and that's reconnecting to our womb, wisdom and our womb. When it opens, it opens that access, you know, what some people call Akashic library, or you know all these things, because that's where we reconnect to our cosmic intelligence, to that great womb which are, you know, is the origin of everything, which are, you know, it's the origin of everything. And so, yes, we can create books from there, create businesses, you know, anoint our partners in their mission, in their business, you know.
Speaker 2:So tell me, I mean, that may not be something you're going to find on a dating profile. I've tried dating profiles so many times.
Speaker 1:Listen, you gotta tap into my womb.
Speaker 2:But we need to stand out. You know, If you want to stand out, that's how you do it you gotta stand out.
Speaker 1:You gotta stand out there, you know, and it really is beautiful when you finally meet partners that can see you in that way because that is something that we all long for, and maybe it's not as available, but when it comes, it wow, Like.
Speaker 1:it's just, it's like they see you. It's not just your physicality, it's not just what you can offer in that way. It's like do you know what I am a doorway to? And so how do you think I'm going to show up to my dates? I'm not there. Like, oh, let me prove to him that I'm the best option to him of like what an amazing partner I am. I am like. No, let me see who you are Like. Are you someone that I want to invest my life giving energy to? Like do I want to help you bring about your vision? Is this fruitful for both of us? That's where I'm thinking when I go, you know, and and yeah, most of the time it doesn't work out well.
Speaker 1:I'm OK with that, because I'm like you know what Great I'm saving on a therapist. I'm saving, yeah, I'm thinking of my mental health, because that's what. That's what, and you know you begin to when you value yourself that way is not meant to be lived out for me in this lifetime. I am OK with that. It doesn't mean I'm going to give up on it, because I understand that perhaps that's more accessible to my niece. You know where it's like.
Speaker 1:Ok, I planted my, my flag on this planet of this remembrance and this ability, planet of this remembrance and this ability, and and that's I know it in my being to be true, even when the world doesn't reflect that. And so, and that's what happens when we're going against the grain, right, pioneers are going to not, they're not going to be agreeable, and they may not get the reward at the beginning, but someone's got to do it, someone's got to go. Reward at the beginning, but someone's got to do it, someone's got to go. And so for me, that's what's so important and, and you know now I am meeting men in that, in that are rising to that occasion, you know, and that are, that are, I feel that when we, if we start to sort of be in this superficial thing there's always going to be someone prettier. There's always going to be someone richer. There's always going to be someone who's better in some way, always.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter how amazing you are, and so if that's where the value is being perceived or driven from, then what is actually your uniqueness other than this, on the superficial realm, that you're never going to really have that man's heart anyway, he's not going to trust you to submit in the ways that serve a greater vision, and you as well, because you know there there's all this talk now about submitting and you know all these things where I feel like, when you submit to your creator and to your vision, everything else is a byproduct of that. You show up in that, you know, and you also honor yourself. You have self-respect. You're not going to be in this superficial chase or competition. You, you know where it's like no, this is this, this vessel. You know the way that I have like for you. You know how, how challenging it is to do your work. Yeah, you know how many tears you've cried over so many things, right, so it's like to just treat it as if it's an everyday thing for anyone.
Speaker 3:No, that that that doesn't, you know it's an interesting paradox and I you know, we talked about this a little bit in our time together this last week that that I think there can be a perception, when you're following source, when you're following source, when you're following your knowing, when you're following what feels right because that sense of it it's too shallow to say it feels good, but it, but it does feel good because it feels right and also it's so, it's challenging and it's it's deep work. It's deep, deep work. That I don't mean to say that as a like look at me. It just is a fact that I don't want to be in our body. There are reasons we don't want to do that work and, um, and I understand, I avoided the deep work for a long period of time and numbed out and then until, until I didn't, yeah, and there's, you know that, the, that's the challenging part, the um, when you, you know, and I and I do, I love that.
Speaker 1:You said like it doesn't feel good, even though it feels good, because it is a paradox, right, like what feels good about it is that you're answering a call, the sensation itself doesn't feel good most of the time of the time, you know, because, again, when we're going into the body, we're meeting the places of rage, the places of grief, the places of our mothers, of our grandmothers, where they abandoned themselves, where they were betrayed. We are, we are meeting those places and but, at the same time, that's what's allowing us to become more human and that's what's allowing us the grace and compassion to be able to be with another in their betrayal, in their grief, in their suffering, and not judge them, you know, and so I do like, again, it's such an intelligent design and we get too caught up in the smallness of our dark experiences because we're not connected to the bigness of who we truly are. And that's why I say like that's what's so important, you know, and in our call it was like there's a mythology that's being lived out through you. So, if you identify with just feeling shitty every day for the next week. You're going to just keep reaffirming that experience. But we understand that. See, this is the beauty of woman. Is that woman, when she knows why she's doing something, she can bear so much? You know, oh yeah, we're very resilient, we're very.
Speaker 1:But when we don't know why, that's where the confusion, the self doubt, all of that. And even when we know why, yeah, it still sucks. So let's sit here and let's cry, let's cry for an hour together and let's just like move it out, and we're going to feel so much lighter after that, you know, and because we don't give ourselves permission to experience those less than agreeable emotions and sensations, then we don't really get to see what's on the other side of that, and I think that you know that's why it's so important to me, anyway, that we remember who we have been, where we come from, so that we understand that we are not just here for this next five year plan, 10 year plan, this lifetime. We are here on a movement that is being lived out through you, whatever that is for you. We each have our goal to place, you know, and so it is a it. It is challenging, but I think that when we, when we recognize what we truly are, then it gives us the courage to move through those challenges, to move through those things.
Speaker 1:And you know, jen, you know this because you're a mom. You're a mom as well, right? So how old is your baby?
Speaker 3:I've got three. I have 18, 16 and 13 daughters.
Speaker 1:All daughters. Wow, all these womb wives.
Speaker 2:We got a lot of wombs in my house.
Speaker 1:So you know so you're really going to understand this that you would do anything for your children.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And a mother's strength like that, it doesn't matter if you like it or not, you're going to get it done. When it's for your babies, yes, yeah, a thousand percent. And it's for your babies, yes, yeah, a thousand percent. And so you may think like, oh, I couldn't do that, or I, you know I, I don't have the strength to do that. But when you're in that situation, when you're in that place and it comes about your babies, there is a supernatural strength, ability and access that comes through you in that moment. Strength, ability and access that comes through you in that moment. Every mother knows this, you know that that kind of floods through. That's the same power. I feel is that's what's accessible to us in an everyday experience, with the challenges that arise when we are rooted in our calling, in our mission, when we understand that I'm not just here for myself. Right, you know, this is what I signed up for. And so there is like you may not like it, it may not feel good, and you, but you're still going to show up for it because you have no other choice. That's where your, your soul fulfillment is not necessarily human right, your soul fulfillment is not necessarily human Right, and so that's where that's. That's why I love, you know, motherhood, because I feel like it really gives you those reference points to how, like the power in our bodies, the power to birth, create, to show up the resiliency, all of those things. So it is, it is important.
Speaker 1:I, you know, I feel, because it is such a discouraging path at times, you know, and, and somehow we believe, or it, you know, it's not, somehow it's actually designed that way, like we, you know, we see it on instagram and we see it on social media all the time of like, oh, oh, abundance, abundance, this, abundance, that, and heal yourself, heal your trauma, so you can, you know, be this and be. And the truth is is that if you're really following the path of a soulful, like a soul led, you're going to carve your own way. You know you can look at others for reference, but ultimately you're going to have to grow your own body, grow your own self. And you know, and, and, if you're lucky, you're going to have amazing mentors along the way that can model this or that can guide, but ultimately, you know that that's already in you. You're just sort of like peeling off all the forgetting, all the you know, all the ways in which we move to our mind and we want to create from there.
Speaker 1:It's like no, come back, come back, let me, let me. How's my belly? Is my belly soft? Is it? Is it? You know? Our bellies are sensing, they sense, you know. You've ever been around when you're in groups of women and you're around each other often enough, our wombs sink in, we start to bleed at the same time you know what do you think?
Speaker 2:that is it's just isn't that wild, that's sensing intelligence. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm sensing intelligence. It's like when you're listening to someone, listen to them from your belly, not from your head, and see what a different experience that is where you start to feel. It's more like you're sensing who they are. You're sensing the energy behind their words. You're not just listening to the words and your interpretation. And so, there and again, all those skills, those are skills that in business, in partnership and mothering, you know, all these things are what allows us to become efficient, not productive. Woman is designed to be efficient, not productive.
Speaker 3:That's a major distinction there. I mean, there is so much programming around productivity and so many women that I talked to and I I was definitely this way, Just it just fit. It has felt almost impossible to break out of that, because of the societal structures too, and the pressure that is real to produce certain things and to to to be undoing that and moving into efficiency and what you talked about earlier, like moving with cycles and understanding that, whether it's in our body or it's in nature or it's throughout the day, like being in tune enough to do that. It's all.
Speaker 1:It's all a thing, yeah it is and how amazing I'm really excited to know you and to get to witness you in and your unfolding. You know, and in these times, that that you are reinventing the way that you show up in the world through your remembrance and when you have, like, you have skills that you have gained in this life. You know, like, for example, you know how to be productive, you know how to create that, you know sort of like, but now what you're cultivating in yourself is essence, and when you can really become available to that essence, then when it's your time to express it. I mean, you're expressing it now with this podcast, but when you're, when you express that in the world, you have the knowledge already. So, no matter what it is that you create, you're going to make a success out of it because now, now, you're going to have even more life force because you're, it's your essence.
Speaker 1:It's not just a business plan, it's a business plan as a conduit of your essence into the world. And that's so exciting to me because I feel like that's, that's what we, that's what we need to be medicine, women in the world, but that are really honoring that essence of of. Yeah, this is, I am sourced. I am sourced here in my belly, from my creator, not and I, and I express it in business, but I am not business, you know or a mercy of it or enslaved to it.
Speaker 1:You honor yourself in a different way. So it is, it's, it's beautiful and you know, I, I, I do want to say about the cycles that it is important because, like for me, it's been really challenging to honor the cycles and collaborate with others, because it's almost like you know're, they have a plan, you know, and, and whenever I come in, I'm like, oh, good luck, because you know, with me it's like you get me for a few months and then you don't hear from me for a few months because I'm in my winter. You know, when I'm in my winter, I'm in my own process, I'm in my own inner beingness, you know. And then when the spring comes, that's when I kind of come back out, and then summer it's go time. You know, I'm in my own inner beingness, you know. And then when the spring comes, that's when I kind of come back out, and then summer it's go time. You know I'm, I'm in that. But then, you know, even now we're, we're in August, and I'm already starting to feel the call of like, slow it down, slow it all down.
Speaker 1:Come September, october, I start to go into my cave, you know, and that's my time to be with the creator, to be prepared for the next year, you know, and so that's been so, so, so for me, and I feel like that's why I get to show up the way that I do and that I'm able to, because I don't forget how. That's what holds everything else. So to me, you know, being here with you having this incredible conversation is amazing. But if I couldn't be in this, if I didn't honor even more so those times where I've got to go away, where I've got to do my inner work, where I've got to go into my inquiries and refine because we're constantly refining, right, yeah, yeah, it has a challenge with that because they're like, wait, what do you mean? You can't schedule anything after October, like, nope, october to February, I am not available, because I don't know where I'll be. I don't know if I'll be here or in another country, or in a mountain or I have no idea, but that's my and that works for me.
Speaker 1:You know that may not work for everyone, but I'm designing my life in that way and my business in that way, because I don't want to preach what I don't live. You know, for me that's very important. It's like I live from, I teach from how I live, I teach from my experience. You know, and that's more powerful than you know me memorizing things and just kind of saying, you know, it's different and my relationship with the creator always is first. So that's how I, at the very least, do my best to not be in crisis, to not be crisis. It's like, okay, let me start listening, I don't want to get smacked around, you know. It's like I'm already.
Speaker 2:I don't need any more smacking around.
Speaker 1:I'm good, yeah, but you know, I wouldn't say that, but then we don't listen, we're just like well, are you sure, though, like, send me another sign, send me 10 more signs, and then I'll pay attention, you know, and I think that that's the, that that's the thing, and that's something I also am really passionate about. It's like when we remember that, and when we value our gnosis, our inner wisdom, then we don't wait for crisis to give us a direction. You know, we willingly, consciously, prepare no-transcript, the more, actually, that it pays off and that it leads me, versus waiting, for. I know I gotta do this, but I'm just gonna keep it going until the wheels fall off. And then I wonder why I'm in this rollercoaster, that open heaven flow of life.
Speaker 3:So much wisdom Um we've been taught.
Speaker 2:I'm upset. I want to be sensitive to your time. We could talk all day, Annabelle, I know we're, we're.
Speaker 3:There is no such thing as time, right, we're just um, if you could speak a little bit of whatever you would want like to share about your work and and I can share, maybe, maybe I'll share a little bit about your work from my perspective, what I've, the bit that I've had a piece of, and then if you want to talk about that and just let people know how they can can get in contact with you too. Um, yeah, so I'm taking this Jean Keys class right now. We're just wrapping up on the Venus sequence, and so people will have information on all of this in the show notes that people can look up your work and how to get in contact with you. Um, but just as a bit of a, like a plug that you didn't ask me to give, um, it's been so powerful, it's been just um, I don't even want to just say knowledge, cause it's like you said, there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom. It's been wisdom that I've been able to to take in, and also I don't know how to put words around this, but the actual energy that you and Dan offer and that you've cultivated in that space is, I believe and this is my felt experience recalibrating, like it's like the time that I spent in that two on one session with the two of you.
Speaker 3:It was the next day. I was telling a friend of mine about it and I just these words were just kind of spilling out of my mouth that I was like they're just in another stratosphere. They're just like they are in a different place, and the way that they show up is beyond words and what happens in that space at least what what I feel like has happened for me is that it's literally recalibrated my energy to some. If there was like a dial that it could turn some direction where I'm like whoa, and that was beat. That's beyond words, that's beyond knowledge, that's even, I would say, beyond wisdom, or maybe it's body embodied wisdom or something, but um. So thank you first of all, just um, and thank you for being a woman who has, just like done this work and thank you for offering just the way that you see other women, the lens that you see women through with, just like seeing beauty is just such a gift. So thank you for that.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And that means so much to me, because it is like that's beauty, you know, it's like when we can recognize that beautiful essence in another, there's a there's an aspect that also calls it, calls it forth.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like I see you, I see you there, you are, there, you are. Do it. Why are we wasting time? You know, thank you for that and and, yes, I, I have loved collaborating with, with Dan in the Venus sequence of this jinky wisdom that's so potent and beautiful and, uh, and yeah, those, those classes are really special to us and we had been wanting it to do this for a really long time and finally it, you know, kind of came into being, which has been nice and we respect each other so much. I'm sure you can tell from just even the way it's beautiful, and so it's, it's, it's really beautiful to see it actually like, wow, it does work. You know, the Venus sequence is here. We are after ending our relationship and rebirthing it in a new way, which is, which has been, has been, really, really beautiful and and then, besides that, like that's one of the little things you know, I know you have so much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for me, where my, my passion and my fire, my holy fire, really ignited in the grief for, you know, and in the, in the communal grief for grief that I teach, because I feel that's at the very core of my feminine, my feminine, well, you know. And so when I work with grief and rage and all the ugly things that we don't want to work with, you know, that's where I find the magic, and the Jinkies is a beautiful vehicle for context, but I feel that ultimately, as a woman, you know, it's returning to that feminine nature and awakening and livening that. So, for me, that womb wisdom, the grief for the, all of that like feminine leadership, this feminine christ emerging, you know, this is where my devotion really ignites in a different way, because that's what we're here for and everything else really is a tool to remember that.
Speaker 2:And each other.
Speaker 1:we're mirrors. If I don't reflect your beauty, it's like if I'm denying my own. So in a way it is a selfish thing in a way, because I'm like if I don't see your beauty and I don't see how amazing, incredible you are, it means I cannot see myself. You know, and we've already done that and it doesn't work. You know, it's like let's call beauty rather than our cattiness and our you know, things we're good at, you know, but it's like we're imagine that, like woman to woman, restoration of relating is so important and vital because we have been under programs of competition and of manipulation for so long towards each other and you know, and on us.
Speaker 1:But when we dissolve those threads and we really start to see how powerful we are in sharing our story, sharing our pain, we realize that that's all, that's all a lie, it's all false, you know. And it returned to our seat of power, our wombs, and that's just another, another level. It's kind of like what you said, another stratosphere, the word that you said of of meeting someone else's beauty in that and women are amazing at that, like we're, you know, whenever you do good, you just turn around and want to share it. You know, you want to do that, and so we're just. This is where community returns. We're healthy. Community returns by the help of our own feminine bodies and wisdom.
Speaker 3:Amen to that. Yes, all right, beautiful, I will have all of the information for listeners in the show notes. I will have all of the information for listeners in the show notes. They can reach out to you and discover your work. And thank you again, thank you again for joining me today.
Speaker 1:Oh, my gosh, thank you for your generosity and for inviting me on here for this. This gives me life. You know, I'm just like I'll record for our other, for our, our session from yesterday that I couldn't connect. I'm really grateful, thank you, and thank you to all the listeners who tuned in. May you be blessed and a part of you ignited and amplified through this conversation that we just had. Thank you so much, thank you. Thank you for being here and for existing much. Thank you, thank you for being here, for existing and, gosh, may we just keep anchoring this frequency and this love and this care and this truthfulness. Truth is beautiful. Thank you, so much love, thank you.