From Trial Lawyer to Fitness and Energy Coach: Embracing Your Soul's Purpose with Kristen Rowell

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This is happening all over the planet right now and if people, if you're listening to this and this is part of your story just know that what's happening to you and I really was so tuned in because I was meditating at that point for so long that I was like, oh, this is happening for me, to get me into more alignment with my true soul's purpose. All of that discomfort and that glitchiness is for you, to get you into alignment with what you're supposed to be doing rather than what you are doing. What I say is, when I was lawyering, that job was about my ego and this new career is about my soul.

Speaker 2: 0:36

Welcome to the Whole Shebang. I'm Jen Briggs, your host. Let me tell you what you're in for here. Many of us have been running at breakneck speed, functioning mostly in our heads, and we've suffered from disconnection, burnout and lost passions. I believe it's because we functioned in part and not in whole. So we're exploring a new path, embracing intuition, creativity, playfulness and connection in all of life. It's vibrant, powerful and magnetic. So come on with me and buckle up buttercups. We're diving in. My friends. I feel like I say this every week and I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it. You are going to love this episode.

Speaker 2: 1:18

Kristen and I had such a fun conversation. I didn't expect it to take the twists and turns that it did. I expected that we would talk just about fitness and nutrition and we do get to that, but we talked about so much more. Kristen shared about her awakening journey and what that looked like, what kind of led her down this path of moving from her ego work into her soul's work, the power of meditation in that process, how things are happening for her and not just to her. And then the conversation lit up even more. We talked about our energetic bodies, how we're moving from a masculine Piscean age into a feminine Aquarian age and, of course, we wrapped up with some huge ahas for me on nutrition and fitness front. There's so much in this conversation.

Speaker 2: 2:04

You're definitely going to need to buckle up for this one, but before you do, let me tell you a little bit about Kristen. She is the CEO and founder of Energetically Efficient. Kristen Rall is a former trial lawyer turned speaker, nutritional therapist, lifestyle and energy coach. She speaks around the country to corporations, law firms, associations and other organizations about nutrition, lifestyle, energy and other wellness topics. In her private coaching practice, kristen serves busy professionals who desire physical and or energetic transformation but need an accountability partner and coach to show them the way. Kristen is the go-to health coach for many successful executives around the country and let me tell you she was also so down to earth and real and easy to talk to. She's one of those people that you feel like you've known forever and don't want to stop hanging out with. So, kristen, we better get something else on the calendar soon. Anyhow, you know what time it is, guys and gals. It's time to buckle up buttercups, because we are diving in Kristen.

Speaker 1: 3:10

Yes, hi, jen.

Speaker 2: 3:12

Welcome to the whole shebang.

Speaker 1: 3:13

Thank you.

Speaker 2: 3:14

Thank you for being here.

Speaker 1: 3:15

Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2: 3:16

I'm excited to do this with you. I'm excited for this too. I was poking around on your Instagram more this morning because I've been following you for a while and we have got some mutual friends. And then I was like and she lives in the cities, this is so great. And I'm also certain I saw you walking down like Hennepin, maybe with your dogs.

Speaker 1: 3:34

If I, if there was a blonde woman walking three golden retrievers, it was me. I do this all the time. People think it's a little nutty that I have three, but I just love it we have so much fun.

Speaker 2: 3:51

Our neighbors call us the golden girls. Oh my God, there's four of us, so it's perfect. That's the best. There are so many things that I'm excited to talk about today. Obviously, fitness, nutrition. I want to dive into some of that. And then, um, if you're open for it, pieces of your personal journey and what that process has been like for you. Sure, so you were an attorney. For how many years Can we just talk about that? That previous career and, of course, okay, yeah, talk to me. So I was a lawyer.

Speaker 1: 4:10

I graduated from law school in 2003 and I did that up until 2019. So 16 full years, and if you would have asked me 10 years ago, I would have said I'll do this until I retire. I loved it, loved it. So I was a trial lawyer, which meant it's the hard kind of law Not any disrespect to anyone who doesn't do trials but it really is the most pressure cooker type of situation that you could be in, and I practiced business litigation, which is as complex as it gets. So I genuinely loved the work that I did, my partners, the intensity of it. It was something that really lit me up. And then, in 2017, I started meditating and my whole world changed.

Speaker 2: 4:54

That was the pivot point.

Speaker 1: 4:55

That was the pivot. And so I was. I was, you know, lawyering all these years, just doing my thing. I was divorced in 2012. You know how, you know how you look back on your life and you realize there were these significant pivot points that obviously catalyzed your awakening. So my awakening, if I really look back, I think it started in approximately 2010, because I was divorced in 2012.

Speaker 1: 5:16

And in 2010, my parents, two other couples and my husband's brother we put together an intervention for my husband and sent him to Hazelden for 28 days, and one of my commitments to myself when I attended the family program at Hazelden was I'm going to do Al-Anon meetings and I'd never heard of the Al-Anon program before. So I started going once a week and it was funny. We would recite the steps, because the people in Al-Anon recite the same steps as the people in AA. And when you get to that last step, you say Recite the same steps as the people in AA. And when you get to that last step, you say I had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps. And I thought spiritual awakening, what's that Like? I would just recite it. And it was this thing that I would just say and fast forward. Two years later, I went to Al-Anon meetings for almost 10 years. I got divorced in 2012.

Speaker 1: 6:06

And one of the ways that I would cope through my divorce was to just work more and work more and work more, because I loved it and I was good at it, and when I can work and I'm doing, then it doesn't allow me to feel. Which was a huge, huge, huge teaching for me in this lifetime is you need to start learning, sister, how to feel your feelings.

Speaker 2: 6:21

Can we pause there for a second? Of course I would love to. Okay, so this is a there's been a big thing for me and a big theme I've seen. Ultimately, it's really why I launched this podcast, because I was seeing and feeling in. It started with just the women in my world, but then men too, of like we are so focused on the doing and just have not been focused on the being. Yes, and I think it is detrimental to us in so many ways just burnout and disconnection to self, to one another, and so that that was like was that part of what the meditation did for you was, allowed you to start focus on the being?

Speaker 1: 7:05

Yes, I say that once I started meditating, I became a human being instead of a human doing, because it was a learning and unlearning, really. So, as I got divorced in 2012 and kept just working, and working, and doing, and doing the universe, have you ever heard the saying that first you get hit with a feather?

Speaker 1: 7:25

and if you don't pay attention, then you get hit with a brick, and if you don't pay attention, then you get hit with a truck. Well, I couldn't tell you what my feather was, because it was obviously too light and the universe was like here's the truck.

Speaker 1: 7:36

We got to give her something louder. Well, I had a brick and a truck, but I ignored the brick too. So in December, my truck was in December of 2013. I was on a work trip a lawyering trip in Williston, North Dakota. I used to go to super sexy places for work. It was related to the oil boom that had been happening at the time and the fallout and the litigation that ensued. But I was out there and as I was returning to Minneapolis, it was about 20 below zero. It was a very cold day in December and I was walking into the airport and I was following one of my partners and I realized that our client, who had dropped us off I left my phone in her car. So I just quickly darted back to go get my phone and somehow, with the cold and the ice and me trying to grab the handle of the car to go in and grab my phone, I fell and I broke my right leg in 10 places.

Speaker 2: 8:22

Whoa. Yeah, Holy smokes, it was I mean that was the truck, that was my truck.

Speaker 1: 8:30

My, my, yes, A few earlier months. Months earlier, it was in September of 2013. I was in Kauai for a girlfriend's wedding, tried to surf, damaged my right leg really, really, really bad in that surfing accident and because I was just going to power forward, I came back to Minnesota, ran the Twin Cities Marathon a few weeks later, even though I wasn't able to walk for a few hours after this accident. It's just silly. So I think the universe was like okay, well, that didn't take her down, so we got to really get her attention and so that stopped me in a way that I couldn't have appreciated at the time. I mean, I was sitting on my couch in my then apartment, because I had an apartment. After I got divorced, my husband and I sold our home and I was trying to figure out where I was going to buy a home, and so my mom came and took care of me and I was sitting on the couch just lawyering and lawyering and lawyering from home at the time, and then my mom would bring me to work and she would take me home, and then finally, it was

Speaker 1: 9:22

like, okay, mom's been here for a week, I've got to just do this on my own. And I had surgery and I had 22 pieces of metal put in my leg. I took Uber to and from work for two or three months because I couldn't drive. It was my right leg and I just kind of kept motoring on. But there was some kind of awakening happening in me, jen, that I didn't really realize at the time. I just knew that this leg injury caused me to become very interested in nutrition because I thought, wait a second, I'm fit, I'm healthy. I've lifted weights nearly my entire life. I have very strong bones, I've been running all these marathons. What in the world is happening that I could have broken my leg this badly? Who did my surgery said well, don't worry, you couldn't recreate this if you tried to. This is such a freak accident. And I thought, okay, that's great. But really it was the universe saying we need to get her attention in some very dramatic way to cause her life to start to change.

Speaker 1: 10:13

So that circumstance of breaking my leg brought in a particular chiropractor, a particular physical therapist, all this team of individuals I started working with, where I started to get really interested in the human body and nutrition and I was having this chiropractor work on me in my rehab sessions and he was an ultra runner and the ultra running community for a very, very long time has been more fueled by fat and done more ketogenic practices and lower carbs. I said to him I go I think marathons are plenty and I've done a lot of them but I said you're running 50 miles, a hundred miles. I said, what do you eat? And we would just start talking, and so that was sort of my journey and entree into it and I started to change how I ate and I recovered. They told me I wouldn't walk on my leg for three months. I was able to walk on it in two and so I just started to get more and more interested in that and it's sort of catapulted from there.

Speaker 2: 11:03

Oh my gosh, I'm just as you were talking about this. I'm like, hey, so much resilience. Did you feel like prior, like while you were laying there and then you were taking a lift to work, were you muscling through or was it just so natural to you Like you just are that resilient.

Speaker 1: 11:21

I think I just am that resilient. It was one of those things where I had surgery, so I got back to Minneapolis the next day.

Speaker 1: 11:28

They had to obviously bring me to the hospital in Williston and they put me just wait for it, get, get how much medication I was on. Okay, when I tell people this, they're like wait what the anesthesiologists are gifted humans to be able to literally sedate you in a way that doesn't kill you. Because they gave me morphine, dilaudid and propofol the thing that killed Michael Jackson. Oh, yeah, had all of it.

Speaker 1: 11:51

And they obviously gave me the exact dosage that brought me back the next morning. So I got home to Minneapolis, I did the surgery and the reason I'm telling you this is because a week after surgery, maybe a week and a half, I went back into the gym on crutches and started strength training again, because I knew that your muscles have memory. If you continue to lift for your left leg, your right leg, which I had broken, would atrophy less. And I was like, wait a second, it's just my lower right leg that's broken. My abs, my back, my upper body, I can still do all this strength training. So I think I've just always had a mindset of I don't like to use things as excuses.

Speaker 1: 12:25

I use things as everything is happening for me, not to me, and I was like how is this happening for me? And I just kept to ask. I kept asking those questions and then fast forward in 2017, the catalyst was I got out of what I would refer to as my last bad relationship right.

Speaker 1: 12:42

Like I'm not doing that anymore. And it brought me to meditation because at that point, when I got out of that relationship, I said what is going on here? Like my parents are high school sweethearts. They're still married. There isn't divorce in my family and why is it that I'm now finding myself?

Speaker 1: 12:58

I've done therapy for years. I went to therapy in my marriage I, you know and I just felt like therapy works for a lot of people, it just to me. It was very slow, and so I was looking for a different modality and I kept reading that the most successful people in the world meditated. So I hired a meditation coach to come down to the law firm and teach me how to meditate, and I had such a powerful experience with her the first time that then I started to meditate on my own and I was doing morning meditation and evening meditation, and I meditated with her each week for several months.

Speaker 1: 13:29

And then, just to kind of fast forward to how this catalyst happened, she told me in April of 2018, I think you're ready for my signature course. That's called Activate. And I said what's that? And she said, well, it's a course to activate you into your purpose. Like, why are you here? And I said well, I know I'm here.

Speaker 1: 13:44

I and she said, well, is it a course to activate you into your purpose? Like, why are you here? And I said well, I know I'm here. I'm a lawyer, I'm a assistant, you know. I thought I knew who I was, but there was something about the course that very much intrigued me. I had just been working with a business coach who had made me take a course, or a test, rather, called Strength Finders I don't know if you've heard of that one and my number one strength was activator. And so when she said the name of the course, I was like okay, there's something happening in the energy soup that means I'm supposed to take that. And it was in that course that I was like wait a second, am I actually going to leave the practice of law?

Speaker 1: 14:14

It started like the seeds started to be sown and a year and a half later, I left in the summer of 2019.

Speaker 2: 14:24

Okay, so part of what's interesting to me about your story, because in my, in my experience, or a lot of people that I hear, I feel like when we go through these major evolutions or reiterations of who we are, a lot of times we feel the thing dying, the old thing dying. That's been my experience. It correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds to me like with you, law wasn't dying, Like you loved it.

Speaker 1: 14:44

Correct, correct. Now I will tell you and this is something I don't really reveal on a lot of podcasts, because the truth is I really love my firm and I loved my partners and I love my clients but I will tell you what the universe started to do in that year before I left. So, in the summer of 2018, one year before I left I started to have some conflicts with a couple of my partners, and I love them still.

Speaker 1: 15:07

We've made up. It's fine, but the universe was doing it because they were like oh, we're going to have to make it uncomfortable for her to leave. She likes it too much here, she loves this part of her identity and we're going to have to. So I had a little bit of conflict and it really was about the fact that on a weekend I went to one of these nutrition health conferences and I took a Friday off to do it. So I went Friday, saturday, sunday, and they were angry with me and I thought wait a second, wait a second.

Speaker 1: 15:34

I am very devoted to this place. I am an equity owner here. I'm a partner that you know. You've got to be kidding me that you're doubting my loyalty to this place. But, truth be told, they probably could see the writing on the wall that I couldn't even see. They could see that I was changing and that I was having these certain interests that weren't necessarily consistent with I.

Speaker 1: 15:53

Remember one of my partners and I still tease him about this. He literally said to me well, this whole like nutrition and health and thing that you're doing, and at that point I'd started an Instagram page and I started to do stuff more about it and and he had said it's not. It's not consistent with sort of what we do as lawyers Like stressed out lawyers are known for drinking too much, probably like doing all the stuff that isn't good for you. And I said, well, I'm going to show people a new way. Come on, I'm going to show lawyers. So what do I do in my new business? I speak on stages to lawyers, I consult with lawyers. So what do I do in my new business? I speak on stages to lawyers, I consult with lawyers, I have lawyers as clients and I am showing them a new way. So so this is happening all over the planet right now and if people, if you're listening to this and this is part of your story just know that what's happening to you and I really was so tuned in because I was meditating at that point for so long that I was like, oh, this is happening for me to get me into more alignment with my true soul's purpose All of that discomfort and that glitchiness when someone's going to leave a job is for you to get you into alignment with what you're supposed to be doing rather than what you are doing.

Speaker 1: 16:59

And it's. I mean, I got a phone call about it from a friend this morning and I said wait a second. And it was a. It was a friend who reached out just because I had made this transition several years ago. And they are about to make a transition. And I just said, listen, you are going to be more aligned with your soul's purpose and you're going to be shown example after example after example of it, and there'll be little glimmers of someone walks into your life, you have a conversation with someone that's confirming for it, but all of that is really happening for you, and so I just kept paying attention to that.

Speaker 1: 17:29

What I say is, when I was lawyering, that job was about my ego and this new career is about my soul, and it literally is just you transition out of your ego and into your soul. There's a reason. People are talking about something called the great resignation that's happening right now. We've never had this kind of an explosion of entrepreneurs in our world, and it's because we were designed to come here and be paid to be who we are. Oh my God, that's what we were designed to do to be paid to be who we are.

Speaker 2: 17:58

It's like preaching to me and speaking my language. So when? You said when you said this is happening all over the world, do you mean that the great resignation and people moving out of ego work into soul work?

Speaker 1: 18:12

Yes, and moving out because consciousness is rising. So one of the things I learned from one of my spiritual teachers, which I just love, and I love sharing this with people because it contextualizes so much about what we're seeing around the planet right now, and this, for lack of a better term, s-storm, I don't know if I can swear.

Speaker 2: 18:28

Yeah, you can.

Speaker 1: 18:29

Okay, shitstorm.

Speaker 1: 18:30

It's been happening on the planet for the last several years. People are like what's going on? Well, the reality of what's happening is in the year approximately 2000,. We ended what's called the Piscean era, so that's loosely based, obviously, on astrology. Pis era so that's loosely based, obviously, in astrology. Pisces is the end of the Zodiac and what we started building is the Aquarian age. Now, up until 2000,. We had been the Piscean era for like 2000 years.

Speaker 1: 18:52

For those of us who were born in the seventies, eighties, nineties, whatever, that's, all we've known is the Piscean model. And what is the Piscean model based on? The principles of the Piscean model are rules, order, structure. Everything is linear. It's based on systems.

Speaker 1: 19:06

Okay, so what would we see in the Piscean model? We would see corporations, we would see huge educational institutions, we would see people who were born, who would go to school, who would graduate, who were taught to get a job, get married, have 2.5 kids, stay at that same job their entire life and then retire and then die. That's very linear and it's very based on rules and structure and order and systems. And everything is a big system and you're a cog within a wheel. So in the year 2000, we literally started bucking it.

Speaker 1: 19:37

So I laugh when I look around at these people complaining about millennials and people who just job hop. All the time I laugh because I say these are people trying to figure out how to navigate and live in the new world. They just haven't integrated yet. Okay, like I've now integrated into this new world and I continue to integrate all the time because I'm awake enough and I've risen in consciousness enough and my frequency resonance is high enough for me to be able to see it all over the world. So what are the inquiry and principles based on? Now, when I tell you these, you're going to be like oh my God, that's the world I want. That's the world we want to live in. I'm ready for it.

Speaker 2: 20:11

Okay, Kristen, give it to me.

Speaker 1: 20:14

So it's based on community service, individuality, creativity and love. Those are the principles of the Inquiry and Age. This is why we have this explosion and mass exodus of people leaving corporate America. I hate to break it to you guys. Corporations are going away Like. That's not the way the Aquarian world does it Now. Will we still have corporations in our lifetime? Of course, because we're building this world and the Aquarian world won't be fully integrated, or at least the beginnings of it won't be integrated, some experts say until like 2036, least the beginnings of it, won't be integrated, some experts say until like 2036,.

Speaker 2: 20:48

This is why we have to look like, like, so so you, my like framework, or the paradigm that I've been looking at, work through or meet me through relationships through, is the masculine, feminine, and I'm transparently like I've sort of shied away from that language because it's confusing to people, but what I mean is yin, yang and linear and logical versus love, and fluid and receptive, and magnetic and connected and all of that, and that's the part that I've seen.

Speaker 2: 21:14

I'm even hesitating to use the word reintegrate because I think we have it in us. It's been shut down, shut off, shoved aside, and so it's an awakening of that and then embracing of that, and so the questions I'm asking are well, what does this? Everything you said earlier is like what I've been trying to do, which is I'm just going to do leadership a new way in corporate. I'm just going to do this a new way and it's going to work, and I don't know if it's going to work and it and I don't know if it's going to work and now I'm looking at making this transition of creating something very entrepreneurial where I can see getting paid to do what my soul's purpose is.

Speaker 2: 21:57

It's exactly what you're saying and then I'm going Hmm, part of me doesn't want a little pouty Cause I'm like I don't want to let go of the idea that we can't transform the workplace the way it is. But maybe, maybe we can't, maybe we're create. We're creating a new paradigm. Yes, so what does it look like? Yeah, so it's a great question. We're not talking about fitness and nutrition yet, but we'll get there, we'll get there.

Speaker 1: 22:21

Cause that's about the physical body. Right now we're in the metaphysical which is fantastic.

Speaker 1: 22:25

So you said so many important things there, jen. So I think it looks like that we build a new, we are building this new world now, and as we build a new world, the old world does start to die and it's really sad. But if we try to play and create the new world within the confines of the Piscean model or the old paradigm, it won't work. So it's this, it's this constant practice of and this is back to your comment about feminine, masculine which I love because that's I've been really on a journey into the feminine last several years it's this constant act of surrender, because femininity is all about surrender and it's all about receiving and it's all about being in ease and flow and play, and these were things I couldn't have even have spoken with you about five years ago.

Speaker 1: 23:10

I truly didn't understand this at all, right, and so the awakening that's happened right now is because we finally have, we finally the shift has begun to what we are now achieving, which is the rise of the divine feminine, what we are now achieving, which is the rise of the divine feminine. So some of the most powerful astrologers that I know have said we are on the shift in consciousness where we are going to see more money in the hands of women than we ever have in our history of our existence. This truly is the divine feminine. We have been in a patriarchal society, not because men are bad and women are good. We all have masculine feminine within us. It's just what the paradigm was. That was so Piscean. And now, as we build this Aquarian age, it's almost like this masculine feminine divinity, the divine feminine rise is happening, coinciding with so perfectly this whole building of the Aquarian age.

Speaker 1: 24:00

So, so it truly is more tribal more community.

Speaker 1: 24:07

It's the way that things were that we've read about thousands of years ago, where you you would have a baby if you choose to and you would have help from your family. Like something I recently shared on social media, which I loved, is my middle sister, who's a dentist, had this baby in August and, at the age of 44, went back to work as a dentist in November. So she had the baby in August, went back to work in November. My parents did grandparent daycare all of November, december, and when they were ready to, they thought they'd be ready to put her in daycare starting January 2nd and they just weren't ready. And so I'm an entrepreneur.

Speaker 1: 24:42

I gave up my CEO days, which is Tuesday I'm with Ellie, my sister, who's an entrepreneur, because she got on the same train I'm on gave up her CEO days on Monday. My parents took Wednesday and Thursday and my sister's home with her on Friday. It's just, that is literally how we are supposed to do life, but we're so programmed to think that we have to do this drop the kid off at daycare at 7am, don't get home till 7pm, have it's. It's so patriarchal and masculine.

Speaker 2: 25:08

And it's like for what? For to produce more widgets.

Speaker 1: 25:11

Yes.

Speaker 2: 25:12

For what? Yes, for what.

Speaker 1: 25:14

Like I, just if I keep going down that path.

Speaker 2: 25:17

I'm like to really to what end? Because life for me, a big piece of the awakening was a death and grief in my family. That just caused me to ask the classic question of like, life is short, so what? What are we here for? And not that, like I, I think there is a way to work and get paid to do what we love, and do it in community, like village style.

Speaker 1: 25:43

I love it. Like I am always about how do we create that village and that community and for a lot of people right now, in today's world, it can be online, it can be in person, it can be online, but the community is so, so, so important as we build it.

Speaker 2: 25:54

I want to ask you just a it's a related question out of curiosity have you had many conversations with men about this? And or what do you see? When I, when we talk about the divine feminine rising, I think that there are, there's a lack of not. I mean, both of us would have said five years ago I was like what? And then I think men hear that this is my perception, maybe my projection, that, and they're like yeah, what does that mean? This is weird. What you know, whatever and I've had some conversations with, I would say, contingency of men that understand and accept that and want more of that in them and in their world. Do you see that happening? Do you see men being like oh yeah, I'm also burnt out, I've also been driving too hard.

Speaker 1: 26:44

I also want to be more entrepreneurial or where yes, yes, so my answer would be in fact, the person I spoke with this morning that I mentioned earlier is male.

Speaker 2: 26:53

Okay, cool yes.

Speaker 1: 26:54

So yes, yes, yes. So the clients that I work with are men and women. I have both and it's interesting. I think it always comes down to what? Where are they at in their awakening journey. You know, we you and I could have this conversation today because of where we're both at in our journey People that'll listen to this podcast, depending on where they're at in their journey, certain things they will hear and it will resonate and certain things will literally like right over their head because they couldn't integrate it yet. So, like as a lawyer, if I looked around at my firm and this is no judgment to the people I work with, I adore them but when I was there five years ago and consciousness was a lot lower, I don't think there was anyone really on the spiritual awakening path, at least that I was aware of. Now maybe that's changed. There could be some of them. I know a few of them who I'm very close with.

Speaker 1: 27:39

I certainly can see are shifting in that way, shifting in that way, but it's such a masculine paradigm that I don't think people even realize what they're in until something in their life, like you mentioned, causes them to start asking the big questions.

Speaker 1: 27:53

For most of us, unfortunately, we have to have some sort of grief or loss or injury. There's a book called the Gift of Injury that a friend recommended to me after I broke my leg, because the truth is, we have to have something that literally knocks us off our center to say wait a second, what am I doing here? And is this really what life's all about? So I do see men having that awakening, but I also see the same thing you do and sometimes where it's, it's a pushback, and part of my job and my coaching and my speaking is how do I meet people when, where they're at? And and I will use things like hey guys, did I just get too woo, woo, is this like too weird? And I can see some people like kind of nodding and then some like no, no, no, I want more, and I laugh because I'm like in a room full of people. You have varying degrees of people on the awakening level.

Speaker 2: 28:37

It's just fascinating to me, it is so cool to me that you are integrating all of the things right and that you I'm going to say this really unfiltered, and I feel like you'll be- fine with it.

Speaker 1: 28:51

I love it.

Speaker 2: 28:52

I love it. Maybe four or five years ago a lot of the woo-woo people that I was reading and into are so woo-woo that it's it feels inaccessible, right, and in my insecurity in that conversation or the conversations I'm having, cause I'm, I'm like, yeah, I'm woo. I've gone through this whole religious journey of like very religious and Christian and deconstructing it and then coming back to the universe and like there's, there's something going on. But in that sort of insecurity around the woo conversation, even on podcasts like this, I've really sought to bring in the science side of it to help people understand that I actually think a lot of what we talk about in the spiritual realm is pretty scientific, it's quantum physics.

Speaker 1: 29:36

I love that you said that it is. I did my first dispenser retreat last summer, so I'm very immersed in the science of it. Oh cool, we got to talk about it. It's quantum physics, it is.

Speaker 2: 29:44

Yeah, yeah. And so the fact that you have that you're one super smart cookie. You've been really successful in your career. It gives you a lot of credibility to speak and to hold space for the woo, woo and also be like but don't count me out Like because I get it and I'm smart, so I don't I, I. I mean that is like the highest level compliment and I just think I feel myself trying to navigate this dance so that I can reach people where they're at. But I also don't want to not talk about the stuff, cause it's, it's real, it's also really real.

Speaker 1: 30:22

Yes, thank you, and I received that and I heard you. I sometimes describe myself as a bridge between worlds.

Speaker 1: 30:29

I say because I was such a hard charging, driven masculine lawyer truly you know, and now I'm such a softening into my family I'm not pretending I'm there at all, but I am definitely much better off than I was five years ago, even in terms of the business coach that I hired. I went from hiring a very masculine business coach who's stuck in the masculine paradigm and is very unaware of it she's lovely, but she's just not aware of it to to hiring literally one of the most feminine in her body crunchy, granola, uber, successful, multi seven figure business woman, but doing it the feminine way, because that's what I desire. It's like I've learned how to do success in the masculine. I'm great at that, got that locked and loaded. I want to now learn how to do success in the feminine.

Speaker 1: 31:12

What are you learning? Well, I'm learning a lot of. It is about surrender that's a huge part of it and it's about allowing myself to receive. So, without going into all my personal relationship drama, you know, since I've been divorced, I've largely been single, other than a couple of significant relationships, but I really have and this is a long time and so it's that receiving of love and going back to the very first thing that we were talking about in terms of just even being in touch with your emotions, having to feel my feelings and receive love, and just all of how that's connected. So I'm learning as I work on surrendering more so in my business and allowing people to do work for me and allowing them to support me.

Speaker 1: 31:50

Those kinds of things are feminine you know, and not having to do it all and letting myself delegate and let go of control. All of this is so much more feminine and what you realize is you can really, if you are in alignment, the right people come in who actually can do the work for you, to support you. That won't let you down. You know, when we're trying to control and we won't delegate, we're in, so in our masculine and we're going to be out of alignment with what our true feminine nature is for many of us, and so then the right people to support us won't come in.

Speaker 2: 32:22

Yes, you know.

Speaker 1: 32:23

Yeah, and we always think it's everyone else's fault, when the truth is, it's really the energy of us. It's the energy of us.

Speaker 2: 32:29

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. This is so great. Okay, I'm going to. I'm going to start nudging us down, perfect.

Speaker 1: 32:37

Cause this could be a seven hour podcast.

Speaker 2: 32:39

We can talk for a long time.

Speaker 2: 32:40

Yes, yes, um, maybe this will be the bridge between kind of where we're at. Uh, so I saw an Instagram that you had posted. I'm going to make sure I get the name of this right. Let me back up just a tad. You mentioned earlier that you've you've gotten into other modalities, which is one of the things that I appreciate about you. It's not just like it is like structured resistance, training and healthy nutrition and we'll talk about those things too but that these other modalities to me also feel like a bridge from the woo-woo to the body, and one of them that you are utilizing now I don't know what the right word is NSA.

Speaker 2: 33:22

Yes, I love NSA Can you talk to me about that.

Speaker 1: 33:25

Yeah, so it's interesting. I was just giving a talk recently and I brought this up. Nsa stands for network spinal analysis, so the easiest way to describe it is it's chiropractic care, where they don't touch you. Which people are like, wait, what I thought? Chiropractic care they adjust you. Well, they are adjusting you, but they're adjusting your energy body.

Speaker 1: 33:44

So I'm I'm very much a bridge in terms of how I talk about the physical and the metaphysical, because most people who hire me are hiring me because they want to lose weight and they want to gain muscle and they want to feel better in their body, which is great. And I always tell people when we're a few weeks in. I'm like, okay, now I'm going to tell you why you're really here, because it was your higher self that found me. Because we have to work on this physical stuff, yes, but the energy stuff is equally, if not more, important. So we are only 1% of physical body. We are 99% energy, and the only reason that we don't work with it or we don't know that is because we can't see it. It's right outside of us. Our energy body is outside, at the end of our fingertips. So, right outside of our physical body, we then have our emotional body, then we have our mental body and once you get out to your fingertips, then you have your spiritual body.

Speaker 1: 34:33

So what NSA does is it allows you to integrate your spiritual ascension. So anything you're doing to rise in your frequency, vibration, the sort of things you listen to, the people you spend your time with, the way that you would delete distortions from your energy field that have kept you stuck, whether it be a distortion around scarcity of financial abundance, a distortion around some kind of relationship issue, a distortion around a fear of loss, feeling not worthy. I mean, most of these things that I just identified, jen, are so ingrained in the base level of human that we all have them in some level until our consciousness rises and we shed them, much like you would be shedding and shaking off, you know, dust or dirt or something off of your body. So we have to get rid of those over time as we rise in consciousness. But what NSA does? It allows you to integrate all of the spiritual ascension work into the physical body so that the two of them can come back into alignment, which is why it's such a powerful modality.

Speaker 1: 35:28

So and the appointments, by the way, are very, very short, the way that I first heard about NSA, which people may find interesting. If you really want to see what it's about, watch the Goop Lab series that Gwyneth Paltrow put out on Netflix in either 2019 or 2020. And it's episode five called the energy experience.

Speaker 2: 35:46

Okay, I like that, yeah Perfect.

Speaker 1: 35:48

It's all about NSA. Gwena's been doing this for 15 or 20 years, so she brought some NSA practitioners to have this done to a bunch of people who work at Goop at the time, and it was a doctor who's been trained in this. He's a he's an NSA practitioner. And then I think it was a Western medicine physician who they were talking and just helping this Western medicine physician was amazing because he was so open to these energy modalities and saying this is really the future of medicine, which is true. And so I watched this experience and I thought, okay, I want to do that someday.

Speaker 1: 36:15

And then, of course, it was 2020 and it was the pandemic and I forgot about it, and I was on a spiritual retreat in Sedona, arizona, in September of 2021. And the healer who was hosting the retreat brought her NSA practitioner from San Francisco and that was the video that I put on my Instagram because I've been entrained by that woman. It's called an entrainment and I've been entrained by that woman several times now because I attend a lot of these retreats. But it's you may emote, you may in this, in this adjustment. I started she was doing a lot of work on my heart space because, again, I'm I'm working on opening my heart and receiving and surrender. That's part of my work right now. And so I. She was like oh, this is all about your heart right now. So she started working on my heart and your listeners probably can't see me, but I was arching my back and stretching my heart up as she was pulling on it and it was involuntary, like I just wanted to feel this opening, which was so emotional?

Speaker 2: 37:05

Yeah, I was just going to ask did you feel it in the moment I started crying? I started crying in the moment. How?

Speaker 1: 37:10

did it feel. It felt um the way I would describe it, and I love that you asked me how it felt, Cause I continue to practice talking about my feelings.

Speaker 2: 37:18

So thank you.

Speaker 1: 37:19

It felt um energizing it felt relieving, it felt exciting. And energizing it felt, relieving, it felt exciting.

Speaker 2: 37:30

And there was a part of me that felt grief.

Speaker 1: 37:31

I was grieving something, yeah, and so when you're grieving in a moment like that, in an adjustment, the thing to know is you're releasing it, you're letting the grief go. It's not a bad thing, it's an amazing thing, because sometimes we hold that stuff Well, not sometimes. Oftentimes we hold that stuff on ourselves and people are so. Oftentimes we hold that stuff in ourselves and people are so afraid of going there with their emotions and so afraid of relieving their emotions that they hold on to them and that's really truly what causes dis-ease in the body.

Speaker 2: 37:56

It's what makes us sick. That's so interesting. So you talked about integrating, integrating the, what did you call it? The physical body and the metaphysical.

Speaker 1: 38:05

Metaphysical, yes, our energy, body, our energy body, Okay.

Speaker 2: 38:09

And then you have people that come to you and they're focused on their physical body. So, like what? Where do you start with people? What do you say to people? Where does somebody, somebody who's listening today and I know that there are people that are listening right now, that are in that place, that are like I don't see myself as a person who can be like you or that can go into the gym and know what I'm doing, or I feel like nothing will change for me. And they come to you wanting to be fit and feel good. What do you do? Where?

Speaker 1: 38:39

do you start? I love that question because that's literally like you've just described the prototypical client that wants to hire me or that hires me. So I do several things, I would say. One of the first things that I do is I say you hired me to help you create a plan around. Whatever the intention you have is for yourself.

Speaker 1: 38:59

So the intention could be to lose X amount of pounds, the intention could be to have more energy, the intention could be to show up better at work and at home. I mean, there could be any variation of these intentions. It could be to lower cholesterol, it could be something very specific and physical, or it could be something just about generally wanting to feel better in life. So, for people who are open to it, I will tell them pretty early on in our work together, if not the first session how much are you willing to learn about, or do you want to learn about, the energy component of this? Because, yes, you are a physical body and I'm going to get you fit physically, cause we're going to work on that, but I are you interested in the energy?

Speaker 1: 39:34

So I asked them so that I can get a gauge of where they're at, and if they're like, well, that that just sounds a little confusing. I'm like, okay, she's, she or he is not ready, and so I'll focus more on the physical. But the truth is and this is one thing that I learned from a mentor who I do a lot of work with as we rise in our frequency resonance, so as I, as a being, get higher and higher in my frequency resonance, because all the work I've been doing to do that since 2018, and, trust me, it's not a better than it's definitely not a better than it's just where are you at with your frequency resonance? The higher you vibrate, the easier your life is. Period, and because I do this work, people who hire me don't realize it, but I'm actually working on them while they're integrating with me, and the reason I say that is that we naturally, as humans, we want to entrain to the higher frequency resonance who we are around.

Speaker 2: 40:26

Does entrain mean like tune? Does it mean like come in alignment with? Okay, yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 40:30

Great question. It's like you want to tune in to that. If I'm at 106.7 and a client who hires me is at 99.3, they are unknowingly working to entrain up to 106.7 because their higher self is trying to get them to match, because then we can mastermind together and really help consciousness rise. So all of a sudden, stuff that they used to struggle with in terms of cravings or in terms of, you know, emotional eating, that stuff may start to resolve for them much more quickly than it would have if we were just focused on the physical and I was someone who was just totally all about the physical and not doing my own energy work. I do my own energy work, obviously for me, but it's really truly for the collective. I'm doing it for the collective.

Speaker 2: 41:16

I've never heard somebody in the fitness world talk about this like this, and it makes all the sense to me.

Speaker 1: 41:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:23

It's so fun. So I just was in San Miguel in February we were doing work as a collective and I'm going to Bainbridge Island in June to do work on the collective. I'm going to Scotland in September to do work on the collective. And you know what we're doing in Scotland, which I don't even pretend to fully understand yet, jen, but what we're doing there is that we're activating the Christ consciousness. Finally, we're at a point in consciousness where we can activate it and integrate it in conjunction with Mary Magdalene, to have a more rise of the divine feminine Like it's all it's, it's massive.

Speaker 2: 41:58

Where's my invite? Exactly, exactly, I will let you know the details.

Speaker 1: 42:02

Can I go to Scotland?

Speaker 2: 42:03

too? And will there be a man there? Because you know I binged outlander, did you really?

Speaker 1: 42:09

okay, I haven't seen it. Is it unreal?

Speaker 2: 42:11

it's really good and it's a really good depiction, honestly, while we're like gently yes um on the masculine, feminine like, and she's like a strong woman, the main character, but she's so good at demonstrating listen to me, she's so good just like how to surrender. And he's like a strong man, but he demonstrates strength and clarity and foundational like, but with love it's, it's really good, but he speaks in the Scottish accent and I was like binging it for a while enough where I was thinking everything in a Scottish accent. I love that.

Speaker 1: 42:43

So anyways, I'm like yeah maybe I'll show up there Well and the thing is that there are portals around the earth where you have to activate the land. So this particular part of Scotland that we're going to it's been rather dormant for a long time, wow, and so we're going there to actually activate it and to bring up ancestors, clear them. It's very. This is where it gets really woo woo in the stuff that I do, and I rarely talk about it.

Speaker 1: 43:04

So thank you for asking, yeah, Um but I think that what we're getting back to is um, um, the, the bridge the activation what I'll just, what I'll just share, kind of just to wrap up that part of the conversation is there is such a need right now for people you asked me about my clients and what I'm doing for work with them there is such a need for people right now to be working both on their physical and their energetic bodies. We have to do both and if you don't, you're going to start to feel it and you're going to start to have. I don't want to put fear into people and say your life's going to fall apart. I'm not saying that. But stuff is going to get really crunchy for you and just glitchy and it glitchy and it won't feel like you're in flow. So when people are open to it and their work with me, I say, okay, I'm really going to dial in your macros.

Speaker 1: 43:52

Food has a frequency and when we're eating what we're actually eating is light, that's what we're eating, we're actually connecting to there, so plants do have the highest light matter. This is why plants and animals Okay, wait, let's slow down here.

Speaker 2: 43:59

Yes, of course. Okay, because I love that. Somebody said the other day I want to have more light in my body and I said well, how do you have more light in your body? Well, cells hold light. It is science Cells hold light. So when you're open and you have more breath, you have more space for more light, and I love that. You just said food is light, okay, so break that down a little bit, yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:21

So when we're consuming food, so something that would be a high vibrational food would be some sort of, you know, organic, family farmed produce from the earth, or it could be the grass fed animal that ate that plant matter. So that would be high vibrational food, whereas like a Cheeto or an Oreo, zero vibration whatsoever. It has nothing for you. So because we're actually consuming light, we can increase our frequency, resonance and really be more connected consciously. If you're doing things that seem really simple, but it's like eating a meal outside in the sun.

Speaker 1: 45:00

Oh, wow it activates your mitochondria differently than if you're eating a meal in blue light in your cube in your corporation stuck in 1994. I'm sorry, but that's just the reality of where we're headed. As human Consciousness-wise, we don't want to be doing that anymore.

Speaker 2: 45:18

No, we're craving, Don't you find, during COVID in particular, and still I'm like COVID in particular, and still I'm like why am I? I didn't grow up camping, I my. I did nothing about really like being in nature, you know, and I am compelled to get into nature. It's just like craving it.

Speaker 1: 45:36

Two, two years ago I went to visit a friend in Costa Rica and I was in the Costa Rican jungle for a week and I had no laptop.

Speaker 2: 45:42

I barely used my phone.

Speaker 1: 45:44

I didn't exercise, I just did everything as gentle as possible, Slept out in these cabins, out in the woods. My aura ring data because I wear an aura ring has never been better Like highest heart rate variability I've ever seen. Lowest heart rate I've ever seen. That's truly what our bodies crave is that deep connection to the earth. And we're so used to being these robots or rats in a cage that don't have any connection to the earth and we're so used to being these robots or rats in a cage that don't have any connection to the earth that you can see this movement and this craving. I don't know if, since you and I live near each other, maybe you've noticed this. Have you ever noticed there's those men and women who will like dance by that stoplight?

Speaker 2: 46:18

on Calhoun. Have you seen them?

Speaker 1: 46:20

I actually like I do a little happy dance inside that they're doing it. It looks like a little weird, but I'm also. I'm also like I love that they're just using this as an example.

Speaker 2: 46:28

They're like I'm going to ground into the earth right now, yeah, yeah. So you have clients come to you and you are asking them are you open to doing energy work? We're going to focus on the food you eat. We're going to focus on your macros, micros, macros macros, both macros and macros both.

Speaker 1: 46:45

Yes, um, and the energy and the energy, Okay, I do have some clients who hire me just for energy work, so I do, do both which is fun.

Speaker 1: 46:53

So what is the work? Well, so I'm seeing more and more of that, so that's a great question. So what we'll do? Like? I meet with them for an hour on zoom every other week and the first thing I typically do with them and it's interesting you don't have anyone ask you this question, and so when someone asks you, okay, talk to me about where you're at in your energy today, how do you feel energetically? And I remember I asked this to a very busy executive in private equity and he said to me you know, that's a really good question because he had never stopped to think about it.

Speaker 1: 47:24

So we're checking in on his energy. I'm asking about certain things that have come up for him, where things may be just in his real life that may be glitchy, or how he might have responded to something differently, or what we could do to alleviate stress in certain areas. I'm checking in with him about have you started that meditation practice that we talked about? You know. So part of it is me being his accountability partner for is he doing his energy work? Got it Right? So what is the energy work that you're doing?

Speaker 1: 47:52

And then I'm giving teachings in the way that I'm doing, even in this podcast, talking to you about frequency, talking to you about Piscean Aquarian, helping him learn about energy. So I'm educating him about energy so that there's there's a transmission that's happening, that's integrating and synthesizing through his physical and energetic bodies. That then allows him to help rise in his consciousness. And then I'll give him homework. I'll say, okay, I would like you to consider doing this particular very high vibrational meditation that exists, that you can purchase for $25, that you then own. Or I want you to listen to these podcast episodes that are free and that allow you to have some of the stuff that you can then integrate. So it depends on the person to answer your question, like what is energy work? But it could include all of that and more.

Speaker 2: 48:35

Okay, that's great, this is great. I didn't know that this was a part of what you did Well, and it's so interesting.

Speaker 1: 48:43

You say that, jen, because I have noticed that I don't talk about it that much on social media. I'd say people would look at my social media and they'd say she's so physically based or it's all about the nutrition and the food and the workouts. And the reality is that's because, I would say, in part, I've been focused on that because I really am trying to meet the collective where it's at. And I think, as I continue, like I was surprised by how much of a positive response I had to even just the simple video that I showed about my stretching and how my feminine, masculine and it really seemed to resonate with people and I was like, okay, maybe more people are ready for this, I can talk about this more. So I think I do need to talk about it more. So I appreciate that nudge from you, or at least what I'm taking as a nudge, because I do think it's very helpful to the collective.

Speaker 2: 49:27

Well and I can think of a lot of just happens to be women right now that I'm relatively close to, who are very comfortable with this conversation and don't feel comfortable in their bodies.

Speaker 1: 49:39

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:40

Excuse me, yeah, and I feel like you would be really accessible for them. Yeah, you know, just in terms of like. Okay, well, let's talk about how energy and food and nature and all of that is connected to your body. Yes, Instead of the other way around. There is a group of people out there that are just like I don't. I'm way more comfortable in the world of energy than they are in their body.

Speaker 1: 50:08

That's an interesting reflection, cause that's not something I've really thought about that much, but that's fascinating in terms of like want to understand more about how to become healthier, or like metabolically healthier, just in the physical, yeah Well, and I think there it's a classic like woman thing.

Speaker 2: 50:25

I think the classic I am not comfortable with my body, women that are just like I had babies and I don't even recognize my body or that classic piece of it. But I would also say a lot of what I'm bumping into because of the conversations I'm having is women and men really that are not embodied, that are disembodied that are so in their heads and so intellectual they're very uncomfortable with all of the things we talked about surrender and receiving.

Speaker 2: 50:53

But also my experience in my fitness journey has been weightlifting has been a big part of it, and yoga now too is that has given me a different access point to my body and to embodiment, which is a piece of getting out of your head and it it on the surface level.

Speaker 2: 51:13

I don't feel like it would. People would think that cause it's like, okay, get in there and pump some iron, but it's. But when you're in tune with your body, it's not just doing doing the pumping of the iron, it becomes a being, if you maybe, if you allow it is what I'm are you tracking? Is that 1000%?

Speaker 1: 51:31

I'm so happy to hear you bring this up because it is confusing on its face to say, okay, I'm going to do this physical exercise and that's going to somehow connect me more spiritually and to my body. But it's exactly what it is. That's what it when we were talking about NSA. That's what NSA does. When I go and strength train at the gym, which is a huge priority of mine, part of the reason I love it so much is it immediately puts me in my body. You have to be in your body when you're strength training. You have to be in your body when you're doing yoga. It puts you in there.

Speaker 1: 52:12

So for all a lot of these disembodied beings which I agree with you, they're walking around everywhere. If the center point of space and time right now in the collective is really at the end of your xiphoid process, so your xiphoid process is where your sternum bone meets and at the end there's like a point there. If people can just touch that sometimes and be like, okay, I'm in my body, I can come back into my body. It's a tool that you can use. But you can also, just like standing wherever you are in a room, start to do some gentle like air squats or get down and do like 10 pushups. That will put you in your body.

Speaker 1: 52:36

When you feel anxious, when you feel that you're in your head, when you feel that that mind chatter won't stop, do something physically based to put yourself in your body and it starts to integrate. Okay, we have these layers of our body physical body, mental body, emotional body and the energy has to go back and forth through it. It has to come into the body and push out into the energy body. So that's just in terms of a modality of how people can get more physically based so that they feel less anxious. They feel we really need to be in the center point of space and time in order for us to feel grounded, centered and like we actually have a handle on our life. So I don't know if you've ever heard this, but I've read that when you are too caffeinated, for example, or if you're anxious or anything that causes you to feel in that, like you're forward in time, you're in front of your body, okay, you're not in your body, you're in forward.

Speaker 1: 53:31

It's one of the reasons I've cut out caffeine. I love it and trust me, if you give it to me, I can mainline it like a heroin addict. I love it so much. But it puts me too forward in time and I want to be in my body. And then for people who enjoy marijuana. That puts them behind in time.

Speaker 1: 53:49

So they're behind, and generally people who are anxious are in front of their body and people who are depressed are behind their body. And then people who drink alcohol. It lowers their frequency resonance and these aren't good, bad or otherwise. It's just the way the world works.

Speaker 1: 54:01

And so all of those things take me out of the center point of space and time, which is why I avoid those things now, because I like to be in my body, in the center point of space and time, because everything in my life just flows better. So I agree with you that this disembodied issue is big and just as a tool for people to just think about doing something physically based, it doesn't even have to be for an hour, it can be 10 minutes five minutes, something quick to get you back in your body.

Speaker 2: 54:25

Yeah, okay, I want to leave people with some just like quick takeaways, if you don't mind.

Speaker 1: 54:30

Of course.

Speaker 2: 54:31

Yeah, okay. So let's talk about nutrition, okay.

Speaker 1: 54:33

Perfect, I love that topic.

Speaker 2: 54:36

What do you think are the most important things for people to understand about nutrition right now?

Speaker 1: 54:40

Yeah. So right now I'd say one of the biggest things and people may be surprised when I say this, but I'm saying this to back up 10,000 feet. I work on this a lot with my clients Note and watch and observe how much your views about nutrition were programmed into you by someone else, namely big food, big pharma, your family system, your society, your school system, the newspaper, the magazines that you read.

Speaker 2: 55:09

Like what are some examples?

Speaker 1: 55:10

So, for example, I was raised at least in the fat free era Right, and so I thought I was winning. When I was sitting at lunch in high school eating carrots, pretzels and, like you know, half a sleeve of snack wells fat free cookies I thought that was like nutritious. But why did I think that? I wasn't taught it? I was programmed to believe that because of advertisements and marketing. That was sold to me. So we have to watch what we're being sold to all of the time. So another example I always like to give clients is I don't know about you, but when I was raised, there was no one in my life who practiced intermittent fasting right.

Speaker 1: 55:46

No, I didn't have parents who fasted, teachers, coaches, friends, parents no one I knew fasted. So it's like well, why is that? Because there was programming around. You're supposed to eat cereal and toast and orange juice for breakfast. You're supposed to have I mean, think of the classic lunch people, when you go to an office meeting or anywhere, it's a box lunches a sandwich with chips, with maybe an apple and a cookie. Why, there's nothing about that that has nutrition in it, nothing. Maybe some protein in the meat on the sandwich and the apple? Yes, of course does, but the bread you don't need, you don't need the cookie. We eat those things and we see that as quote unquote lunch because we were programmed to see it that way.

Speaker 1: 56:28

So one of the things I talk about is programming. The second thing I would say is, just for a quick win for people to dramatically consider reducing the amount of processed carbohydrates they consume. I mean, I work on this with clients all the time, so I know people think well, but it's rice, it's quinoa, it's, you know, a whole grain bread for most people. I would, and I would say I'm speaking specifically now to people who are interested in fat loss, cause that's who hires me we're still consuming too much carbohydrate as a population, more than our body can handle. We're still consuming too much. And why is that? Because we were raised in the generation of the process package food.

Speaker 2: 57:03

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:03

You know you can't keep berries and apples and celery and those kinds of things on the shelf for months on end. People can't put them on the box with a nutritional label and package them to you and sell them to you and have you keep it in your cupboard forever. So we don't, we're not drawn to those things to see those as carbs, but those are excellent carbohydrates, all the real food carbohydrates, and really get the process stuff out. And I think for most people are like okay, duh, I know that, but it's harder than you think, kristen, it really isn't. I mean, it's making. You're making intentional choices every day when you're at the grocery store. When you're there, it's like how do I just make a different choice this time? I tell people buy one thing that's different. When you go to the grocery store, just buy one thing that's different. Actually buy sauerkraut, actually buy something that has like gut boosting benefits, like kefir, or try some yogurt, or try things that you may not normally eat. So that's another thing you might just like swapping stuff out.

Speaker 2: 57:57

Yeah, I would say, there's those healthy swaps, you know.

Speaker 1: 58:00

And then a third thing I would say is to really note your state and your energy around mealtime. People are eating for all sorts of reasons other than food.

Speaker 2: 58:12

I was just going to ask about that because I'm like, when people say it's really hard, I'm like, well, what is hard about it? Is it the change of the habit, is it? I mean, I've noticed I've got a lot of change happening right now and I was like craving. I'd be curious to hear what you have to say about cravings too. But I just was like I want sugar, I want sugar, all the sugar, all of it. And and I normally I mean I have a sweet tooth, but I'm normally not like that. So I'm like well, what's hard about it? What is hard about not eating carbs are hard about not eating sugar. And then that, I think, is connected to this third point of why am I eating it?

Speaker 1: 58:47

Yeah, yeah, right, and I would. Yes, and if we fill ourselves up with the stuff that our body really needs, that stuff becomes less interesting. Yeah, like we just don't want it as much. So I love to give this example. I gave this example when I was speaking last last week. Um, I was at a fancy steakhouse in Vegas with a couple of girlfriends. One happened to be a client. This was a couple of years ago. We were there for a birthday or something, and so the server came over and immediately brought us that big vat of warm, gooey, amazing bread.

Speaker 2: 59:18

Right.

Speaker 1: 59:18

And so I looked at him and I said, sir, that looks amazing, it's also dessert. So I'm going to ask you, can you please bring it back to the kitchen? And of course my girlfriend's like, oh God, here she goes, right. I said, just bring it back to the kitchen. And I actually would like some at the end of the meal. So could you bring it back after I've eaten my steak and my asparagus and my Brussels sprouts or whatever it is that I'm going to have for dinner that night. Can you please bring it back after? And he's like, okay, lady, whatever.

Speaker 1: 59:43

So he did, and I ate my steak, I ate my vegetables, I ate everything. And then when he brought the bread back, guess what? I had less. I ate a piece because I ate it intentionally at the end of the meal, which helped regulate my blood sugar, when I already filled myself up on really good fiber, really good protein and really good healthy fats. Then I could, at the end of the meal, carefully add carbs. So what I say is eat fiber first, then prioritize protein, fill in with fat and carefully add carbs. We want to use these as almost a sprinkling in our meal instead of having our whole meal focused on carbohydrate the average American is getting 64% of their calories from carbohydrates, when I say it should be somewhere between 10 and 20.

Speaker 2: 1:00:22

Wow, that's a huge change, I mean even for most people like 40 is too much for most people.

Speaker 1: 1:00:25

Certainly for most people, if people don't realize. You actually have to either use the carbs that you've eaten so you have to be extremely active or you have to store them on your body. Period Whoa, your body is always working to keep you at one teaspoon of blood sugar. That's it, one teaspoon.

Speaker 2: 1:00:43

I feel like you need to repeat that. Can you repeat that whole?

Speaker 1: 1:00:45

thing again.

Speaker 2: 1:00:45

That whole bit about carbs.

Speaker 1: 1:00:52

Yes, so your body is always trying to keep you at one teaspoon of blood sugar. That's all we can have in our blood at any given time and people think that's like such a small amount. It is, and the average American is eating 17 teaspoons of sugar a day.

Speaker 2: 1:01:01

Holy smokes.

Speaker 1: 1:01:02

And when I say sugar, I'm not saying Sour Patch Kids, I'm saying it might be in the form of a sweet potato or french fries, or crackers or rice, or a bagel or toast. All of these things are sugar. So, given that we can only have one teaspoon in our body at any given time and here's the crazier statistic the difference between someone who is normal blood sugar and the difference between that person and then someone who has full-blown type 2 diabetes the difference of the amount of sugar in their blood is a fourth of a teaspoon. What Right? That's wild. When I learned that, I was like wait, wait wait right.

Speaker 1: 1:01:42

So my point is and you're like, wait a second, kristen, I've already had over a fourth of a teaspoon of sugar. Come on. How do I not have diabetes? And here's what I'll share with your listeners the answer is that after you put that onslaught of sugar into your body whether it was the Sour Patch Kids or the McFlurry at McDonald's or whatever it is that you ate your body goes through this very sophisticated mechanism to clean the sugar out of your blood. It has to, especially if you're just sitting here. Now, if you ate that sugar and then you went on a walk, your body would preferentially divert that sugar to your leg muscles, to your calves, to your arms, to your butt, to anything that was moving. It would divert it to those muscles to say, okay, at least we can dispose of it this way, let's get out. Get it out, because again it wants to keep you at a teaspoon. So if you just consume 40 teaspoons of sugar, it's got to put it somewhere. So it likes when you start moving. This is why the one of the most important things you can do after you eat a meal is to walk for about 10 to 20 minutes. Just walk, yeah, cause it helps your body get rid of that sugar.

Speaker 1: 1:02:50

No-transcript. You usually think of this in diabetic people, but we all have it and it is secreted because insulin's job and it's a hormone, it's hormonal job is to clean the sugar out of your blood. Okay, so when it starts cleaning, it's like oh God, oh God, there's so much sugar. What do I do? You know, I always say that the situation is like clean up on aisle four, especially if you've eaten the big Mac, the large fry and the McFlurry. I mean, a medium McDonald's French fry has five teaspoons of sugar.

Speaker 1: 1:03:21

Okay, so, you're eating all the sugar, anyways, your insulin starts to say, okay, okay, guys, guys, it's talking to each other. Where do we go? Where do we put this? And the first place it gets stored is your liver. Now, your liver can only hold about 400 calories of sugar. That's it. That's not a lot. Think about it. Did I eat a bagel yesterday and pasta the day before and pizza the day before that? And have I not moved or exercised? You may already have a liver that's full of sugar. We have an epidemic in this country right now of something called non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Wow, and it's really sad, because there's a lot of these that are kids that have this and these are livers that are full of sugar and

Speaker 1: 1:03:58

they're dysfunctional and it makes a sluggish metabolism because you have a liver full of sugar. So the second place is the insulin again is talking to other livers full, guys, livers full. What do we do? I found somewhere and now the insulin says I'm going to put it in her skeletal muscle. So I tell people, one of the best things you can do to become more insulin sensitive which is what you want to be, you don't want to be insulin resistant, you want to be insulin sensitive is to build more lean muscle tissue on your body.

Speaker 1: 1:04:24

Muscles are a sink for carbohydrates. They suck it up. They love carbs so you can have more muscle. And now I always say I'm walking around with a 20-gallon storage tank for carbs, where most people are walking around with five. So it makes you more insulin sensitive. And then, third and last, once the insulin push all that sugar into your muscle and again your muscle can only hold, it's about 1 calories for the average person. Obviously that makes a difference, depending on how muscular you are. But again, if you ate carbs every single day in the last two weeks and you haven't exercised at all, you already are storing a lot that didn't go anywhere because it's in storage. And now the next place it gets stored is in your fat cells. So that's how we actually gain weight on our body. That's how we get fat. We have stored carbohydrate. Now, when it gets into our fat cells, the storage form is something that everyone's heard of because they've seen it on their blood work it's called triglycerides.

Speaker 2: 1:05:13

It's blood fat.

Speaker 1: 1:05:14

And a triglyceride is made. Tri three, a triglyceride is made with one molecule of glycerol. This is sugar and three fatty acids.

Speaker 1: 1:05:22

So, this together makes triglyceride, and so one of the first things my clients notice when they start working with me and I have them eating my customized meal plans for them is that their triglyceride number goes down and they start losing body fat because I take so much of the carbohydrate out of what they're eating if they want to lose fat so that we can start retrieving this glycerol molecule in their fat cells and burning it off for fuel.

Speaker 2: 1:05:47

I love understanding the why and I think a lot of people do because it's way harder to be motivated and I'm a big believer in discipline. But I, you know, like you, have to sometimes just be disciplined. But when I understand what's happening, like you just explained it thank you for that education it's going to be way easier to say no to gummy bears. That I love, because you know you're having a clean up on aisle four situation in your body.

Speaker 1: 1:06:14

And the other thing to have people note about that is because my clients love when I explain this to them, because really, when you know the why, it really does make it easier. The other thing is that event of cleanup on aisle four and the insulin pumping out is very stressful on your body. So for people who are looking to minimize their stress, here's one way stop eating so much carb. It really is stressful inside your body because think about how specific your body has to be to keep you at a teaspoon. So just minimize the impact on your pancreas by not assaulting it all of the time with all of this carb all day long. Quit assaulting yourself. Yeah, stop assaulting yourself. It's truly what's happening and your body will thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:06:52

It makes a big difference. We don't want to be shooting insulin out of our body all day because, that's what ultimately develops insulin resistance.

Speaker 2: 1:06:59

This is also helpful. I'm so glad this is so great. Okay, I'm going to just ask you one last question before we wrap up, and maybe you've already touched on some of this, but I really like to ask because I think you are ever evolving, right. You, clearly and I love that you are um an example of somebody who is leaning into that evolution in really big ways and really little ways, and so I'm curious what is really currently most forefront on your heart and mind that you've, that you are maybe a channel for, or that you just feel compelled um to share? Is there anything in particular?

Speaker 1: 1:07:34

I think I would share with you, just um, something that I say a lot which I really like people to hear, which is that I don't aspire to retire, that I'll really just continue to reinvent myself, because if we are truly designed to be here and be paid to be who we are, there's no need, like I don't feel like I want to achieve this pinnacle age where now I don't have to work anymore because what I do doesn't feel like work, it really doesn't. I would do this if I didn't get paid for it. And so, yes, of course, will I come to an age where it's like I'm not going to have client meetings anymore and I won't be. Yes, yes, I don't mean I'll really never retire, but if you are in alignment with your soul's purpose and your soul's path, there isn't a desire to want to have an end date and to be quote unquote done with this someday, because I'm just being me.

Speaker 1: 1:08:25

And when you're just being you, you don't have to retire from it. When you retire from it, that's when you die, and so I just I feel compelled to share with people that you truly work. You did come here to be paid to be who you are, and so if you are not doing that right now, start asking the questions why? And start just saying I'm so curious, what's my soul's purpose? I'm so curious why I came here. I'm so curious. You can ask it of the universe, you can ask about God if that's your belief, but just start asking out loud walking around your home. I'm so curious why I'm here.

Speaker 2: 1:09:03

That's a great place to stop, I think so too, thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 1:09:08

Thank you for taking the time.

Speaker 2: 1:09:10

Thank you for sharing your heart. I'm personally really encouraged by this conversation and I can't wait to share it.

Speaker 1: 1:09:16

Thank you, jen, I loved it. This is really fun.

Speaker 2: 1:09:20

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